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mro_name ◴[] No.40715944[source]
I wonder how it can be legal to repeatedly undermine constitution and push or vote for later high-court-nullified laws and be allowed to repeat as if nothing was wrong with that. Like drunk driving forever. We ban counter-constitutional activities outside parliament and authorities. Why not inside?

I am much for 3-strikes here.

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JumpCrisscross ◴[] No.40716073[source]
> to repeatedly undermine constitution

The EU doesn’t have a constitution [1], simply enabling treaties [2].

The solution would be in ratifying a constitution.

> am much for 3-strikes here

Careful. A party in power will seek to nullify issues by putting forward and then defeating sham bills.

[1] https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Treaty_establishing_a_Consti...

[2] https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Treaties_of_the_European_Uni...

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AnthonyMouse ◴[] No.40716310[source]
> A party in power will seek to nullify issues by putting forward and then defeating sham bills.

Presumably the three strikes would be for the politicians, e.g. if you have voted in favor of three bills that courts have subsequently found unconstitutional, you're barred from holding office.

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JumpCrisscross ◴[] No.40716337[source]
> if you have voted in favor of three bills that courts have subsequently found unconstitutional, you're barred from holding office

Would you look at that, everyone who was passing court reform is now barred from office.

You’re looking for a cheat code to effort in government. It doesn’t exist. Power is ephemeral. The person in power is always more powerful than the person who just had it, almost by definition.

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1. AnthonyMouse ◴[] No.40716394{3}[source]
> Would you look at that, everyone who was passing court reform is now barred from office.

But then the population sees this, still wants court reform (now more than ever) and votes in new politicians to take it up. The new politicians haven't yet voted on anything and so can't be barred this way and the first bill they take up is court reform.

> You’re looking for a cheat code to effort in government.

I'm looking for checks and balances. Something outside of the whims of populism should cause politicians who repeatedly attempt to violate fundamental rights to suffer consequences.

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2. JumpCrisscross ◴[] No.40717113[source]
> I'm looking for checks and balances

Try a cooling-off period. Switzerland does it for referendums. Absent a super-majority, a bill needs a certain amount of time between initial and final approval.