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833 points Bluestein | 9 comments | 18 Jun 24 09:34 UTC | HN request time: 0.015s | source | bottom
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mro_name ◴[18 Jun 24 10:16 UTC] No.40715944[source]▶
I wonder how it can be legal to repeatedly undermine constitution and push or vote for later high-court-nullified laws and be allowed to repeat as if nothing was wrong with that. Like drunk driving forever. We ban counter-constitutional activities outside parliament and authorities. Why not inside?

I am much for 3-strikes here.

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chopin ◴[18 Jun 24 10:26 UTC] No.40716013[source]▶
0-strike. It should be expected that elected officials respect the constitution.
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dustfinger ◴[18 Jun 24 10:33 UTC] No.40716066[source]▶
I agree with 0-strikes. Elect officials should be under constant investigation for any form of nefarious behavior and they should be prosecuted as any citzen would be.
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sneak ◴[18 Jun 24 10:34 UTC] No.40716075[source]▶
Do you understand what would happen to the system if politicians could be prosecuted for proposing laws?
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1. FpUser ◴[18 Jun 24 10:46 UTC] No.40716162{3}[source]▶
Well, proposed laws would need to pass constitutionality test done by some constitutional court stuffed by legal field experts. If passed, no prosecution can occur.

I could be prosecuted for driving if the result is death of pedestrian for example. I still drive. So why our fucking "servants" are special?

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2. JumpCrisscross ◴[18 Jun 24 10:50 UTC] No.40716186[source]▶
> proposed laws would need to pass constitutionality test done by some constitutional court stuffed by legal field experts. If passed, no prosecution can occur

Congratulations, you re-invented the politburo.

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3. K0balt ◴[18 Jun 24 11:26 UTC] No.40716468[source]▶
Then , presumably, you would need another, lesser court, to vet a bill before it reached the constitutional court.

Unfortunately this just creates another layer of abstraction and each layer adds myriad perverse incentives for power brokering and abuse.

It’s a very thorny problem that humanity has yet to solve, and is probably unsolvable until we can solve the “power opens opportunities for abuse of those powers “ problem.

The only ideal form of government is the benign and just king, which of course does not exist.

I, for one, welcome our new robot overlords.

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4. FpUser ◴[18 Jun 24 11:28 UTC] No.40716474[source]▶
No it is an attempt to bring runaway politicians back to senses.

As for politburo: HR in big corporations already does the task quite well. They just do not like to be called what they are.

5. FpUser ◴[18 Jun 24 11:32 UTC] No.40716499[source]▶
>"The only ideal form of government is the benign and just king, which of course does not exist."

This might work in very small society where said king can be quickly brought to senses if he pisses off enough people. Anything larger is fucked up no atter what we do.

>"I, for one, welcome our new robot overlords."

No fuck that

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6. ruszki ◴[18 Jun 24 12:02 UTC] No.40716769[source]▶
Hungary had that. It didn't really work.
7. sneak ◴[18 Jun 24 21:16 UTC] No.40722261[source]▶
They already do that now, there's even a defined procedure for it. They just do it after the law has already passed.
8. K0balt ◴[22 Jun 24 02:27 UTC] No.40755695{3}[source]▶
Meh, it’s only a matter of time, assuming that superintlligence is achieved.

It will of course be sock puppeted throughout some hapless shmuck, but societies that are not effectively led by superintellignces will quickly become irrelevant footnotes in a sea of strategic superiority.

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9. K0balt ◴[22 Jun 24 20:48 UTC] No.40762078{4}[source]▶
But, yeah. F that. I’m not looking forward to evolution. It’s probably going to happen anyway.