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Chat Control Must Be Stopped – Now

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darby_nine ◴[18 Jun 24 09:28 UTC] No.40715654[source]▶
I find it somewhat disturbing that this sort of thing is not considered a career killer for politicians.
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Semaphor ◴[18 Jun 24 09:30 UTC] No.40715673[source]▶
Almost nothing is. Local politicians fail upwards to the EU (at least in Germany) or some private job, if they fail at all. Most of the time, you can do what you want, and the voters don’t care.
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lukan ◴[18 Jun 24 09:47 UTC] No.40715764[source]▶
"and the voters don’t care."

Then why did so many vote extremist anti EU? There just has been EU election in germany and the nationalist gained a lot. And none of the big parties otherwise said a clear no to that, so what could I do, except vote a small party against that, but too small to really do something?

Voters care. But they see often no point in voting anymore.

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1. vladvasiliu ◴[18 Jun 24 10:11 UTC] No.40715921[source]▶
How many people did actually bother to vote in Germany?

Here in France, the "extremists" got a bit over 30% of votes. But turnout was only 51%.

According to [0] average turnout is 51%. Some countries have very high numbers (IIRC voting is mandatory in Belgium?), others ridiculously low. This, to me, means pretty much that "voters don't care".

[0] https://results.elections.europa.eu/en/turnout/

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2. fabianholzer ◴[18 Jun 24 10:22 UTC] No.40715994[source]▶
> How many people did actually bother to vote in Germany?

64.78%, or over 40 million in absolute terms.

3. pxtail ◴[18 Jun 24 11:15 UTC] No.40716372[source]▶
> How many people did actually bother to vote in Germany?

People (including me) doesn't want to bother with voting when the whole thing is a farce - it's beyond my understanding why would someone be enticed to vote for incompetent politicians who get parachuted into EU parliament to earn hefty wage - very often as a reward for outrageous behavior, there are multiple examples of this, influencer from Cyprus, that polish MP who got expelled from Poland's parliament for outrageous behavior - surprise surprise - he got comfy EP seat. Absolutely disgusting.

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5. prmoustache ◴[18 Jun 24 11:47 UTC] No.40716643[source]▶
> This, to me, means pretty much that "voters don't care".

This is simplistic. Some have simply lost confidence in their representatives and/or cannot find a decent candidate.

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6. account42 ◴[19 Jun 24 08:48 UTC] No.40726230[source]▶
Would be interesting if voter turnout somehow had an effect on the government. For example if the required consensus for new laws would be scaled by the turnout - e.g. for if there is only 51% turnout then any laws that need a majority consensus would need almost all politicians to agree. Could provide interesting incentives for politicians to care about voter engagement and political education.
7. account42 ◴[19 Jun 24 08:51 UTC] No.40726251[source]▶
I find a better action than not voting is to vote for the smallest most extremist fracton you can find even if you don't agree with most of their policies. Low voter turnout doesn't make headlines, the "bad" parties gaining traction does.