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    Chat Control Must Be Stopped – Now

    (threema.ch)
    960 points andrew918277 | 11 comments | 18 Jun 24 08:49 UTC | HN request time: 0.001s | source | bottom
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    darby_nine ◴[18 Jun 24 09:28 UTC] No.40715654[source]▶
    I find it somewhat disturbing that this sort of thing is not considered a career killer for politicians.
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    Semaphor ◴[18 Jun 24 09:30 UTC] No.40715673[source]▶
    Almost nothing is. Local politicians fail upwards to the EU (at least in Germany) or some private job, if they fail at all. Most of the time, you can do what you want, and the voters don’t care.
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    lukan ◴[18 Jun 24 09:47 UTC] No.40715764[source]▶
    "and the voters don’t care."

    Then why did so many vote extremist anti EU? There just has been EU election in germany and the nationalist gained a lot. And none of the big parties otherwise said a clear no to that, so what could I do, except vote a small party against that, but too small to really do something?

    Voters care. But they see often no point in voting anymore.

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    1. blumomo ◴[18 Jun 24 10:00 UTC] No.40715844[source]▶
    > Then why did so many vote extremist anti EU?

    Is the EU really a benefit to the people? Or is it a shit pool full of scum bags providing quite some damage to societies?

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    2. ricardobeat ◴[18 Jun 24 10:09 UTC] No.40715908[source]▶
    All things considered I think that’s a strong yes. Open borders, free trade, technological collaboration, and shared health, industry and consumer regulations help accelerate economic development. Can’t throw the baby out with the bathwater.
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    3. simianparrot ◴[18 Jun 24 10:16 UTC] No.40715949[source]▶
    First two have been utter disasters however, and are directly affecting people on a daily basis now. Here in Scandinavia it’s coming to a head but it’s a similar story further south, in Germany in particular.
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    4. beeboobaa3 ◴[18 Jun 24 10:34 UTC] No.40716070[source]▶
    > Is the EU really a benefit to the people

    Obviously, yes.

    5. urduntupu ◴[18 Jun 24 10:54 UTC] No.40716208[source]▶
    Economic development? Which countries?
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    6. circlefavshape ◴[18 Jun 24 12:03 UTC] No.40716784[source]▶
    Pretty much all the environmental protection legislation we have in Ireland came from the EU. So yes, a benefit
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    7. lukan ◴[18 Jun 24 13:12 UTC] No.40717446{3}[source]▶
    Erm, all of european states are quite better off, than their neighbors?
    8. ricardobeat ◴[18 Jun 24 19:50 UTC] No.40721507{3}[source]▶
    Immigration, which I assume is what you’re hinting at, has nothing to do with open borders between EU states.
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    9. account42 ◴[19 Jun 24 08:59 UTC] No.40726315{3}[source]▶
    At least for Germany that situation is not imposed by the EU but is entirely due to the choices of the local politicians.
    10. account42 ◴[19 Jun 24 09:01 UTC] No.40726331[source]▶
    On the otherhand, Ireland's corporate-friendly laws are a negative for other EU countries.
    11. simianparrot ◴[20 Jun 24 18:34 UTC] No.40741736{4}[source]▶
    Unchecked cheap labor from eastern european countries has had a dramatic effect. That's directly related. But illegal immigration also does because the moment you get in to one lax EU country with open borders to another, your movement is a lot easier.

    I live this reality and have family in law enforcement. You might not want to believe it but it's absolutely the truth on the ground. We need to control our borders much more strictly.