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velcrovan ◴[] No.40710875[source]
I manage IT at a mid-size business. At least once a month, I get asked to release some incoming email from quarantine that got sent there because the sender's SPF record is wrong or outdated and doesn't include all the email services they actually use. (What this really tells me is how many small businesses are out there running with no in-house IT expertise or support of any kind.)

I don't do whitelisting. Instead, I always reach out and offer to help the other party correct their SPF record.

It happens often enough that I wrote a script in Racket that will generate the email for me and paste it into the clipboard [1]. The email tells them exactly what they need to change, and links to docs from their current email provider (so they don't have to trust me about edits to their DNS).

[1]: https://gist.github.com/otherjoel/6b8bf02f6db6e0c47ba6bca72e...

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deng ◴[] No.40714418[source]
> At least once a month, I get asked to release some incoming email from quarantine that got sent there because the sender's SPF record is wrong or outdated

And at the same time, I regularly get Spam/Phishing with perfect SPF, DKIM, DMARC, etc. The domains and IPs they use might get blocked within a day, but of course, these people have no problem getting others.

And although I have set up my MTA perfectly, my mail gets refused by MS/t-online/etc., because I don't have enough "sender reputation". In e-mail, we have an oligopoly of a few big mail providers, and in the end, they decide which mail gets delivered and which isn't, and to me it looks like they give a rat's ass about SPF and DKIM, and probably rightfully so, because most spammers are probably better at configuring MTAs than your average mail admin.

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taskforcegemini ◴[] No.40714559[source]
t-online uses a global whitelist, which is pretty stupid for e-mail. sometimes it helps contacting them, other times they refuse to resolve it for arbitrary reasons (not because of actual spamming)
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Leonelf ◴[] No.40714655[source]
t-online told me I needed an imprint on the website that's reachable under my domain. Seems to be some misunderstanding of German law (German commercial websites need an imprint, legally, but t-online also apply this requirement to private domains).
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1. persnickety ◴[] No.40715061[source]
Last month they unblocked me even though the website is blank.