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byteknight ◴[] No.40429457[source]
This reminds me of how people often communicate to avoid offending others. We tend to soften our opinions or suggestions with phrases like "What if you looked at it this way?" or "You know what I'd do in those situations." By doing this, we subtly dilute the exact emotion or truth we're trying to convey. If we modify our words enough, we might end up with a statement that's completely untruthful. This is similar to how AI models might behave when manipulated to emphasize certain features, leading to responses that are not entirely genuine.
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nathan_compton ◴[] No.40429580[source]
Counterpoint: "What if you looked at it this way?" communicates both your suggestion AND your sensitivity to the person's social status whatever. Given that humans are not robots, but social, psychological, animals, such communication is entirely justified and efficient.
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byteknight ◴[] No.40429636[source]
You can't always do both to the fullest truth. They often conflict. To do what you suggest, would imply my feelings perfectly align with the sympathetic view. That is not the case for a lot of humans or instances. If I am not saying exactly how I feel it is watered down.

And telling me "just do both" is enforcing your world view and that is precisely what we're talking about _not_ doing.

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1. infogulch ◴[] No.40429824[source]
The "fullest truth" includes your desired outcome and knowledge that they are a human. If you just want to dump facts at them and get them to shut up, go ahead and speak unfiltered. Twitter may be an example of the outcome of that strategy.

Consider a situation where you are teaching a child. She tries her best and makes a mistake on her math homework. Saying that her attempt was terrible because an adult could do better may be the "fullest truth" in the most eye-rolling banal way possible, and discourages her from trying in the future which is ultimately unproductive.

This "fullest truth" argument fails to take into account desire and motivation, and thus is a bad model of the truth.