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airocker ◴[] No.40215819[source]
I have seldom come across unix multiuser environments getting used anymore for servers. Its generally just one user on one physical machine now a days. I understand run0's promise is still useful but i would really like to see the whole unix permission system simplified for just one user who has sudo access.
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berkes ◴[] No.40216746[source]
I always still split up "sysadmin" from "deploy".

Ephemeral setups (amongst which k8s) remove that need but introduce a big load of other stuff.

Having a VPS that is managed by sysadmins (users with sudo rights, authed with keys) and on which partly overlapping "deploy" users can write to small parts and maybe do a passwordless "sudo sysctl restart fooapp" but only that, is a nice and simple setup.

I manage at least seven of these. And nothing in me even considers porting this to my k8s infra.

Edit: The reason for this setup is simple and twofold: deploy is safe and clear: deployers can be confident that whatever crap they pull, the server will churn on, data will be safe, recovery is possible. And all devs/ops having their own keys and accts gives a trail, logs and makes it very easy to remove that contractor after she did her work.

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1. eru ◴[] No.40219921[source]
Yes, we are moving more and more towards a system of immutable deployments.

That's good! We don't patch executable binaries these days: we just compile a new one from source, when we made a change. Similarly, more and more we just build new systems (or their images) from source, instead of mucking around with existing systems.