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mustafa_pasi ◴[] No.40214513[source]
Feels like they were keeping this card in their sleeves for when they needed a popularity boost.
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apengwin ◴[] No.40214556[source]
It is a good thing for democratically accountable governments to do good things that the people want!
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chucksta ◴[] No.40214971[source]
Tell that to all the people pissed off at Roe v Wade
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krapp[dead post] ◴[] No.40214985[source]
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tootie ◴[] No.40215106[source]
A panel of judges appointed and confirmed by elected officials. An electoral plurality did want it repealed. And based on current polls, there is not a majority who think it's important enough to change it back. Even if there's an opinion poll saying most people want abortion rights, that's effectively moot if they don't vote that way.
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jonathanlb ◴[] No.40215445[source]
> based on current polls

Citation needed.

Current polls indicate that "[t]wo-thirds of the public, including majorities of Democrats (86%) and independents (67%), support a law guaranteeing a federal right to abortion."

Source: https://www.kff.org/womens-health-policy/poll-finding/kff-he...

> Even if there's an opinion poll [...] that's effectively moot if they don't vote that way.

Weirdly, your own argument is rendered moot with that assertion. But I agree, it's important for people to vote.

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tootie ◴[] No.40215830[source]
By current polls, I mean the ones showing Trump even or slightly ahead of Biden despite him being directly responsible for Dobbs. If 2/3 of the public wanted abortion rights, Biden would have 2/3 of the popular vote, but he won't get anywhere near that. Hence, most people don't want Roe reinstated. QED.
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krapp ◴[] No.40216233[source]
>If 2/3 of the public wanted abortion rights, Biden would have 2/3 of the popular vote, but he won't get anywhere near that. Hence, most people don't want Roe reinstated. QED.

That isn't the way people work. Or voting. Or polls.

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tootie ◴[] No.40216461[source]
It is the only practical measure of true public opinion. You can also, by extension, infer that roughly 47% of Americans think sexual assault is acceptable and that democracy is undesirable. It may not be what they say or even what they think but it is reflected in what they do.
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krapp ◴[] No.40217481[source]
It isn't practical by any means, it's unnecessarily reductionist, even when one doesn't consider the numerous innate biases involved in polling.

People are multidimensional but American Presidential politics forces them into a binary decision. Yet there are numerous reasons why people who support abortion might not vote for Biden. They may support abortion but not believe Biden is a credible choice to defend abortion rights. They may support abortion but vote against Biden to punish the Democratic Party for their response to Dobbs. They may support abortion but reject the Democratic Party altogether. They may support abortion but find activism at the state level more effective, and find other things like Biden's support for Israel more objectionable. They may support abortion but also support Trump, because pro-choice Republicans do exist, and their only options will be to vote Trump or not vote and all. And most people won't even vote at all.

>It may not be what they say or even what they think but it is reflected in what they do.

No. It may be comfortable to see people in such black and white terms, but the premise that unless one votes for Biden, one doesn't support abortion regardless of what else one says and does, is ... not even wrong levels of wrong.

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1. tootie ◴[] No.40218866[source]
I understand that people are complex and can have subtlety and nuance to their personalities but I can only judge them on what they do. If someone kicks me in the shin, there could be 1000 reasons leading to them thinking it was a valid decision but ultimately they still just kicked me in the shin.

I'm sure 0% of Trump voters would tell a pollster they approve of sexual assault but their actions indicate they do.