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Run0, a systemd based alternative to sudo, announced

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466 points CoolCold | 2 comments | 29 Apr 24 23:59 UTC | HN request time: 0.427s | source
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wkat4242 ◴[30 Apr 24 01:08 UTC] No.40206210[source]▶
I'm really starting to hate the sub-community in Linux that tries to constantly change it.

I don't want to learn a new network config alternative with every update (Ubuntu changed its net config tool again with 24.04). I don't want an immutable os. I don't want to learn to write new config files. I just want to do what I've been doing but with new packages. If there's a problem with something, just fix it. Don't throw out the whole thing.

I moved to FreeBSD and am happy for its reluctance to change. If there is any, it's usually offering something genuinely new to me as a feature and to boot I only need to learn about it if I need it.

Hardware support is much lower but it's worth it IMO. I had the same irritation with macOS. Every release breaking something essential that was part of my workflow and i didn't want to change. Eventually I did change but away from Apple.

I don't want to change to LennartOS either.

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1. paulddraper ◴[30 Apr 24 19:19 UTC] No.40215088[source]▶
It's very fair to eschew change for negligible improvements.

But I've also seen the community defend terrible stuff just because.

Look at what happened with the init system. System V, fstab, etc was awful. Doing anything with a reasonable level of robustness was grotesquely obtuse and complicated. And yet it was "perfectly fine" to the greybeards. Alternative proposals were near zero.

I don't have a dog in the networkmanager/netplan fight. It could be that one is irrelevant; given history, I have a hard time trusting what I hear.

sudo has quirks for sure (which is why you see a number of alternatives).

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2. chuckadams ◴[30 Apr 24 20:48 UTC] No.40216149[source]▶
Daemontools was pretty popular with greybeards, actually. But yeah, daemontools/runit/s6 and company have always been for handcrafted server setups, where the thing about init scripts and unit files is that they're a standard thing a package can supply and have work out of the box with minimal tweaking across distros.

Any serious challenge to systemd nowadays is probably going to have to at least offer compatibility with it. No one is going to rip it all out and start over again (again).