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SSDs have become fast, except in the cloud

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589 points greghn | 2 comments | 20 Feb 24 16:59 UTC | HN request time: 0.433s | source
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teaearlgraycold ◴[20 Feb 24 17:13 UTC] No.39443860[source]▶
What’s a good small cloud competitor to AWS? For teams that just need two AZs to get HA and your standard stuff like VMs, k8s, etc.
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ThrowawayTestr ◴[20 Feb 24 17:16 UTC] No.39443904[source]▶
Buy a server
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nullindividual ◴[20 Feb 24 17:22 UTC] No.39443993[source]▶
I don't like this answer.

When I look at cloud, I get to think "finally! No more hardware to manage. No OS to manage". It's the best thing about the cloud, provided your workload is amenable to PaaS. It's great because I don't have to manage Windows or IIS. Microsoft does that part for me and significantly cheaper than it would be to employ me to do that work.

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1. cynicalsecurity ◴[20 Feb 24 17:36 UTC] No.39444176[source]▶
A cloud is just someone else's computer.

When you rent a bare metal server, you don't manage your hardware either. The failed parts are replaced for you. Unless you can't figure out what hardware configuration you need - which would be a really big red flag for your level of expertise.

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2. kikimora ◴[20 Feb 24 23:48 UTC] No.39448506[source]▶
A cloud is network and tools, less hardware. For example see this [1] Reddit thread discussing network in Hetzner. Any other bare-metal would have same challenges. Once you solve network security you have to deal with server access. People hired and fired, hardcoded SSH keys is a bad idea. Once you solve access you likely have AD, LDAP and SSO of some sort. Then backups, and automated test suite + periodical test recoveries. Then database and backups. Then secrets, does all members of your team know production db password? And so on and on.

Maybe TCO still favors bare-metal but you have to spend a lot of time on configuration.

[1] https://www.reddit.com/r/hetzner/comments/rjuzcs/securing_ne...