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TheCapeGreek ◴[] No.39146526[source]
I usually refrain from making much political commentary.

I will say this: SA is a deeply troubled country, but for once I think the ruling government has actually done a good thing by pursuing this.

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timcobb ◴[] No.39147305[source]
> South Africa asks ICC to exempt it from Putin arrest

https://www.reuters.com/article/idUSKBN2YY1E6/

SA does not really present itself as an earnest or true actor in the sphere oh human rights.

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diego_moita ◴[] No.39147539[source]
> SA does not really present itself as an earnest or true actor in the sphere oh human rights.

Well, who does?

Among the major players in world politics I can't see any country with a clean reputation on human rights.

Disclaimer: I am Brazilian, a country with an horrible record of police brutality, of farmers killing indigenous people and environmental activists and an hypocritical ambivalence towards Putin's crimes. And that goes to the previous right-wing and current left-wing governments.

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timcobb ◴[] No.39148498[source]
I mean, sure. Personally, I’m a relativist. It’s just weird to see the country that recently bent itself backwards—like no other country—to let Vladimir Putin into its territory (it was reported they even considering leaving the ICC), is now bringing suit in the ICC for arguably less worse crimes than Putin. SA was not just apathetic to the genocide/domicide in Ukraine, it basically went out of its way to be party to it. Now it’s taking Israel to court. strange. Sure, many countries are still dealing with Russia, but only SA is dealing with Russia _and_ bringing countries to The Hague at the same time.
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protomolecule ◴[] No.39148876[source]
"for arguably less worse crimes than Putin"

How many civilians have died in the Ukraine and in Gaza?

"to the genocide/domicide in Ukraine"

That's very frivolous use of the word 'genocide'.

"Now it’s taking Israel to court."

Don't you think that it should have been done by the countries which took Russia to the court? They have done nothing. Strange.

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timcobb ◴[] No.39149546[source]
Hundreds of thousands of civilians have been killed in Ukraine.

Putin is explicitly aiming to destroy Ukrainian national identity, which is genocide. He has disappeared countless people in the occupied territories… literally, countless, no one knows how many because rights orgs don’t operate there. He’s indicted by the ICC for stealing children from occupied territories to solve the Russian “demographic crisis,” and to remove the future generation of Ukrainians. There’s nothing frivolous about this, ask a Ukrainian. See Putin’s many speeches, including from February 24, to this effect, he doesn’t believe Ukrainians or Ukraine has a right to exist, and believed that Ukrainians can be dispensed with like subhumans.

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protomolecule[dead post] ◴[] No.39150325[source]
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timcobb ◴[] No.39150490[source]
Sadly I don’t have time right now for a complete response, but for example, in just the battle of Mariupol:

Per Russia: 3,000+ civilians killed[43] Per Ukraine: 25,000+ civilians killed[44] 50,000+ deported[45]

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protomolecule[dead post] ◴[] No.39150538[source]
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timcobb ◴[] No.39150731[source]
Who’s reporting the figures from Gaza that everyone is using?
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1. protomolecule ◴[] No.39155856{3}[source]
"Mortality reporting is a crucial indicator of the severity of a conflict setting, but it can also be inflated or under-reported for political purposes. Amidst the ongoing conflict in Gaza, some political parties have indicated scepticism about the reporting of fatalities by the Gaza Ministry of Health (MoH). The Gaza MoH has historically reported accurate mortality data, with discrepancies between MoH reporting and independent United Nations analyses ranging from 1·5% to 3·8% in previous conflicts. A comparison between the Gaza MoH and Israeli Foreign Ministry mortality figures for the 2014 war yielded an 8·0% discrepancy. Public scepticism of the current reports by the Gaza MoH might undermine the efforts to reduce civilian harm and provide life-saving assistance." [0]

[0] https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6...