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ICJ orders Israel to prevent genocide in Gaza, stops short of ordering ceasefire

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smoothjazz ◴[26 Jan 24 14:39 UTC] No.39143094[source]▶
Glad to see Israel face some responsibility for its horrific acts against civilians.

> The court ruled that Israel must do all it can to prevent genocide, including refraining from killing Palestinians or causing harm to them

Sounds like a ceasefire to me. How else would they do this? Definitely not with any of the military tactics Israel is currently using.

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shmatt ◴[26 Jan 24 18:30 UTC] No.39146080[source]▶
Except SA specifically asked the court to require a ceasefire, which would have immediate consequences via security council vote and no more munitions landing in Israel. And the judges voted it down

This isn't a read between the lines situation, because SA's request was specifically for the court to temporarily rule for a full immediate ceasefire until the larger case could be heard

What is interesting here is that by mis-reading the verdict like yourself, and Israel assuming the worst, both sides immediately came out saying today was a huge win. So at least we have that, everyone (but the Palestinians, who aren't a side in this case) is happy

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smoothjazz ◴[26 Jan 24 18:57 UTC] No.39146496[source]▶
Honestly I'm not trying to mis-read the verdict which is why I asked the question. I think all of Israel's strategies to date include the death of Palestinians. Since that's explicitly forbidden with that ruling, how will they continue to fight? Will they just ignore the ruling or change tactics?
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golergka[dead post] ◴[26 Jan 24 22:38 UTC] No.39149749[source]▶
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alexisread ◴[26 Jan 24 23:31 UTC] No.39150363[source]▶
Generally the proportion of civilians in a hospital vastly outweighs any fighters. Bombing a hospital does in no way count as reasonable steps to prevent collateral damage. Shooting people queueing for food aid similarly does not count.
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halflife[dead post] ◴[27 Jan 24 08:23 UTC] No.39153723[source]▶
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alexisread ◴[27 Jan 24 08:43 UTC] No.39153807[source]▶
https://www.npr.org/2023/11/07/1211133698/gaza-hospitals-air...
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1. halflife ◴[27 Jan 24 09:26 UTC] No.39154012[source]▶
The source for that is Gazan eye witnesses, Same one that argues that Israel killed 500 people bombing Al Ahli hospital, that was eventually found out to be from a failed Hamas rocket.

Even if what they claim is true, as you can see from multiple sources, al Shifa hospital still stands and operational. The article has multiple inaccuracies. It glosses over the fact that many weapons were found inside the hospital (https://www.npr.org/2023/11/15/1213145028/israel-hamas-gaza-...), It ignores the fact that there was armed Hamas forces fighting Israeli military on hospital grounds (https://edition.cnn.com/videos/world/2023/11/13/hospital-gaz...). And just plain inaccuracy telling that the solar panels were the only source of electricity for the hospital, since the hospital was operating from the start of the war, up until today, with generators.

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2. alexisread ◴[27 Jan 24 10:14 UTC] No.39154274[source]▶
Whether or not weapons were found is not the point here, this is evidence. We can debate credibility such as whether days of the week are terrorists but again, that's not the point. The ICJ found enough evidence of merit to show the plausibility of genocide, I'm displaying evidence here that says eyewitness accounts of attacks.

Additional, evidence for shelling: https://www.nytimes.com/2023/11/14/world/middleeast/israel-g...