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ICJ orders Israel to prevent genocide in Gaza, stops short of ordering ceasefire

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locallost ◴[26 Jan 24 21:36 UTC] No.39148816[source]▶
My views on the situation aside, the clearest I saw anyone communicate the issues from a global angle was the former French prime minister Dominique de Villepin

Translated here: https://twitter.com/RnaudBertrand/status/1718201487132885246

Viewed from the angle of the West, I think the message it needs to avoid isolating itself from the world is very unusual for Western media and important.

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"Westerners must open their eyes to the extent of the historical drama unfolding before us to find the right answers."

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"This Palestinian question will not fade. And so we must address it and find an answer. This is where we need courage. The use of force is a dead end. The moral condemnation of what Hamas did - and there's no "but" in my words regarding the moral condemnation of this horror - must not prevent us from moving forward politically and diplomatically in an enlightened manner. The law of retaliation is a never-ending cycle."

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pgeorgi ◴[26 Jan 24 21:43 UTC] No.39148909[source]▶
All correct and yet, what should happen? Israel stops their campaign. And then?

Spend tons of money on iron dome to shoot down the rockets and hope that Hamas won't manage to conduct another massacre, even if "only" half the scope of October 7?

This mess features not one but two parties who currently reject the concept of a cease fire.

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hypeit ◴[26 Jan 24 21:45 UTC] No.39148950[source]▶
Israel must face the reality that is an apartheid state that exists on occupied land. There is no solution until that happens. Just like apartheid South Africa was dismantled, Israel has to face the same fate or forever be locked into warfare and oppressing Palestinians.
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jjcon[dead post] ◴[26 Jan 24 21:54 UTC] No.39149102[source]▶
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hypeit ◴[26 Jan 24 21:57 UTC] No.39149145[source]▶
It's not "hate speech" to call to the end of an apartheid government.
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jjcon[dead post] ◴[26 Jan 24 22:07 UTC] No.39149277[source]▶
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JumpCrisscross ◴[26 Jan 24 22:17 UTC] No.39149436[source]▶
> Calling for the destruction of the only Jewish state is hate speech

I’m generally pro-Israel, but I don’t agree with this at all. Israel is a theocracy, and an increasingly right-wing one at that. Arguing against even theocracies in principal would technically argue for dissolving Israel as a Jewish state; I would hardly call that hate speech.

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jjcon ◴[26 Jan 24 22:48 UTC] No.39149876[source]▶
Huh? Israel is a parliamentary democracy not a theocracy. It is more irreligious than USA/Canada and plenty of Europe:

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_irrelig...

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HDThoreaun ◴[26 Jan 24 23:52 UTC] No.39150555[source]▶
Israel likes to say this, but it is not true. The hasidic jews especially enjoy rights that other Israelis just dont have, and they have a large amount of control over the government.
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jjcon ◴[27 Jan 24 00:13 UTC] No.39150756[source]▶
It is true… that is literally their governmental type. There are religious parties in Israel (just like the religious are largely in the GOP in the USA) but that doesn’t make it theocratic… unless you bend the definition of theocracy beyond all meaning.

That is all not to mention my second point which is that Israel isn’t even a particularly religious country compared to the west.

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HDThoreaun ◴[27 Jan 24 00:32 UTC] No.39150930{3}[source]▶
Theres no reason democracies cant be theocracies. You can come up with a pained definition to make it so, but if everyone votes for the religious party I think most would agree that thats a theocracy.
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1. jjcon ◴[27 Jan 24 02:35 UTC] No.39151846{4}[source]▶
That just plainly isn’t what a theocracy is though- by your definition the US could easily be called a theocracy for most of its history and even today. Beyond that you continue to ignore my other point - the people in Israel are less religious than the US/Canada and much of Europe. They are a less religious democracy than the US and yet you continue to call it what it just patently isn’t?