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ICJ orders Israel to prevent genocide in Gaza, stops short of ordering ceasefire

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surume ◴[26 Jan 24 20:23 UTC] No.39147721[source]▶
Hi All, I am a combat soldier and commander in the IDF currently fighting in Gaza.

We are not committing any genocide. The give away for Genocide is that there are mass graves, which in Gaza there are not.

Yes there is collateral damage because Hamas uses civilians as human shields, so we have no choice but to kill them too, but we do not specifically target them.

We risk ourselves and our soldiers to ensure that the fewest number of non-combatants get killed. We have lost many of our own soldiers because of this. It would be much easier for us to just bomb everything from the air but we dont, because it's less precise than going in on foot.

Personally, as a commander, I would like to say that I have no ill feelings towards the Palestinian people, but we need to get as many of the hostages back as possible, and we cannot allow Hamas to continue ruling Gaza and attacking our civilians as they did on October 7th.

We will continue the fight with them until our military objectives are met, and we will also engage Hizbollah on the northern border for exactly the same reasons (Hamas actually stole their plan and used it on October 7th - Hezbollah had planned to do it in the north but much worse).

Israel is the canary in the coal mine. What happens to us today will happen to you tomorrow, so before you give your full throated support to Hamas, let me ask you, would you want October 7th to happen to your family and friends? If Hamas aren't stopped, that same attack will happen around the world.

Please support us and help rid the world of violent terrorism, and maybe one day, we can all live in peace.

Shabbat Shalom!

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1. Aeolun ◴[27 Jan 24 00:49 UTC] No.39151082[source]▶
> would you want October 7th to happen to your family and friends?

Obviously not. I just believe you are going about it the entirely wrong way if you want to prevent it.

How many Oct 7’s do you think this one-sided conflict will spawn?

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2. surume ◴[27 Jan 24 02:08 UTC] No.39151675[source]▶
What is your proposed alternative that you're alluding to? That seems oddly missing in your comment.
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3. HDThoreaun ◴[27 Jan 24 05:22 UTC] No.39152839[source]▶
Return to pre october 7th status quo but without the soft on border security stuff. Israel easily has the military capability to lock down the border.
4. Aeolun ◴[27 Jan 24 07:36 UTC] No.39153488[source]▶
Good question, I’m fairly certain that doing exactly nothing, while of course politically untenable, would be preferable to this.

Kind of a “we don’t negotiate with terrorists” kind of deal.

Find the kidnappers and then surgically take them out. If you’ve no clue how to do that get your single big ally to help you out with that, as they have about 20 years of experience doing exactly that thing.

Even better if your lack of response causes a rift/break in the ranks of your opponents, and half of the hostages get released without conflict.

Of course you’ll eventually have to resign and apologize to the public because it’s much easier for them to be bloodthirsty.

And then, Israel’s PM is bloodthirsty themselves, so it’s all an exercise in futility anyway.

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5. rsoto2 ◴[27 Jan 24 18:22 UTC] No.39158235[source]▶
Make peace with the Palestinians and stop committing genocide
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6. surume ◴[27 Jan 24 21:04 UTC] No.39159823{3}[source]▶
We tried. They weren't interested in peace. Plus there's a difference between Gazans (Hamas) and West Bank arabs (Fatah). We are not committing genocide, but Hamas definitely are trying to.
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7. surume ◴[27 Jan 24 21:07 UTC] No.39159844{3}[source]▶
Sorry, but that won't work. Hamas still have 130 hostages, and they shoot mortars, missiles and kamikaze drones into Israel with increasing technology and firepower. They have 20,000 combat soldiers left, so unless we leave several division on their border (which would be insane), they're just break through the fence and slaughter us again. I appreciate your attempt to come up with a solution, but it is not at all connected to reality. Hamas will not just sit in Gaza and wait. They showed us that on October 7th. Either we wipe them out or they will slaughter us again.
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8. matsemann ◴[27 Jan 24 21:58 UTC] No.39160290{4}[source]▶
Did you have no choice to kill this civilian?

https://www.reddit.com/r/TikTokCringe/s/YO2FAvEcNN

How can you defend this blatant killing of a civilian waiving a white flag?

9. Aeolun ◴[28 Jan 24 00:52 UTC] No.39161427{4}[source]▶
> We are not committing genocide, but Hamas definitely are trying to.

Have you even looked at the number of casualties? Hamas is desperately trying to stay alive.