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mgreg ◴[] No.39121867[source]
Unsurprising but disappointing none-the-less. Let’s just try to learn from it.

It’s popular in the AI space to claim altruism and openness; OpenAI, Anthropic and xAI (the new Musk one) all have a funky governance structure because they want to be a public good. The challenge is once any of these (or others) start to gain enough traction that they are seen as having a good chance at reaping billions in profits things change.

And it’s not just AI companies and this isn’t new. This is art of human nature and will always be.

We should be putting more emphasis and attention on truly open AI models (open training data, training source code & hyperparameters, model source code, weights) so the benefits of AI accrue to the public and not just a few companies.

[edit - eliminated specific company mentions]

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ertgbnm ◴[] No.39122564[source]
The botched firing of Sam Altman proves that fancy governance structures are little more than paper shields against the market.

Whatever has been written can be unwritten and if that fails, just start a new company with the same employees.

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AndrewKemendo ◴[] No.39122688[source]
Because at some point, the plurality of employees do not subordinate their personal desires to the organizational desires.

The only organizations for which that is a persistent requirement are typically things like priest hoods

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romwell ◴[] No.39123253[source]
The plurality of employees are not the innovators that made the breakthrough possible in the first place.

People are not interchangeable.

Most employees may have bills to pay, and will follow the money. The ones that matter most would have different motivation.

Of course, of your sole goal is to create a husk that milks the achievement of the original team as long as it lasts and nothing else — sure, you can do that.

But the "organizational desires" are still desires of people in the organization. And if those people are the ducks that lay the golden eggs, it might not be the smartest move to ignore them to prioritize the desires of the market for those eggs.

The market is all too happy to kill the ducks if it means more, cheaper eggs today.

Which is, as the adage goes, why we can't have the good things.

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curiousgal ◴[] No.39127628[source]
> Most employees may have bills to pay, and will follow the money.

It always rubs me the wrong way when people justify going for more money as "having bills to pay". No they don't, this makes it seems as if they're down on their luck and have to hustle to pay bills which is far from reality. I am not shaming people for wanting more money of course, but after a certain threshold, framing it as an external necessity is dishonest.

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1. romwell ◴[] No.39150218[source]
>It always rubs me the wrong way when people justify going for more money as "having bills to pay". No they don't, this makes it seems as if they're down on their luck and have to hustle to pay bills which is far from reality.

What reality do you live in?

I'm a software engineer with Google on my resume (among others); my wife is a software engineer in the chipmaking industry; we both have PhDs and work in Silicon Valley, and have no children.

We work because we have bills to pay. We can't afford to not work. Our largest expenses are still housing, groceries, transportation, medical, etc. - i.e., bills.

We are paying a mortgage on a 3B townhouse, which is also our home office, and where my mother-in-law is living too as a war refugee from Kyiv, Ukraine. I'm helping my mother with her bills too (she's renting a studio in San Diego).

When I don't work, our savings start draining.

It would be nice to get to the point where paying the bills is not something I ever think about. But we haven't reached that threshold.

Neither have most of our friends (also engineers with PhDs). I haven't spoken to my friend in OpenAI in a while, so I hope they've crossed that threshold; but it's not something I know for sure.