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ICJ orders Israel to prevent genocide in Gaza, stops short of ordering ceasefire

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locallost ◴[26 Jan 24 21:36 UTC] No.39148816[source]▶
My views on the situation aside, the clearest I saw anyone communicate the issues from a global angle was the former French prime minister Dominique de Villepin

Translated here: https://twitter.com/RnaudBertrand/status/1718201487132885246

Viewed from the angle of the West, I think the message it needs to avoid isolating itself from the world is very unusual for Western media and important.

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"Westerners must open their eyes to the extent of the historical drama unfolding before us to find the right answers."

And

"This Palestinian question will not fade. And so we must address it and find an answer. This is where we need courage. The use of force is a dead end. The moral condemnation of what Hamas did - and there's no "but" in my words regarding the moral condemnation of this horror - must not prevent us from moving forward politically and diplomatically in an enlightened manner. The law of retaliation is a never-ending cycle."

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RcouF1uZ4gsC ◴[26 Jan 24 21:46 UTC] No.39148966[source]▶
> The law of retaliation is a never-ending cycle

How many wars have the US and Japan fought after WWII?

Or France and Germany after WWII?

How many wars have the US Government and Native Americans fought after 1900?

Sometimes a clear, overwhelming victory ends cycles of violence.

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1. lolinder ◴[26 Jan 24 21:57 UTC] No.39149136[source]▶
Germany and Japan's peaceful modern history are less due to a clear, overwhelming victory than they were due to the recognition of an absolutely horrific chapter in their country's respective histories and a major cultural movement against the possibility of those kinds of atrocities happening again. Either country could easily come up with more than enough military might to win a war if they chose, but the horrors that they perpetrated live on as cultural scar tissue.

The last example is just... horrific. I don't have more to say on it except that we shouldn't use it as a positive example of anything.

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2. romwell ◴[26 Jan 24 22:09 UTC] No.39149305[source]▶
>due to the recognition of an absolutely horrific chapter

You mean, the absolutely horrific military defeat.

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3. goatlover ◴[26 Jan 24 22:15 UTC] No.39149395[source]▶
Once their WW2 militaries were utterly defeated and their leadership was forced into unconditional surrender, followed by Allied occupation and rebuilding.
4. anon84873628 ◴[26 Jan 24 22:33 UTC] No.39149689[source]▶
To say it more succinctly, Axis countries clearly had a lot to gain from peace (namely stable happy lives again) and nothing to gain from further violence.

Whereas you might say that many Palestinians (specifically the ones who joined Hamas) had little to gain from the status quo, and little to lose from violence. When you are born locked in the world's largest prison, becoming a terrorist might seem appealing.

5. Wytwwww ◴[26 Jan 24 22:58 UTC] No.39149977[source]▶
> chapter in their country's respective histories and a major cultural movement against the possibility of those kinds of atrocities happening again

It's true that that's the case today. But it took a while for this transition to occur. Basically, the entire wartime generation had to retire/die out. In the 50s and 60s Germans were still very keen about downplaying the atrocities (even if they of course recognized that they occurred) and especially being very lenient towards war criminal and even protecting them from foreign governments (e.g. Heinrich Boere).

6. lolinder ◴[26 Jan 24 23:15 UTC] No.39150179[source]▶
No, I mean the slaughter of millions of innocent civilians.
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7. sobellian ◴[27 Jan 24 00:31 UTC] No.39150922[source]▶
Both countries were previously led by extremists totally incapable of any such moral epiphany. Sound familiar?
8. romwell ◴[27 Jan 24 04:47 UTC] No.39152678{3}[source]▶
Which they only acknowledged because they lost. Horribly.