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ICJ orders Israel to prevent genocide in Gaza, stops short of ordering ceasefire

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517 points xbar | 5 comments | 26 Jan 24 14:35 UTC | HN request time: 1.736s | source
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voisin ◴[26 Jan 24 14:55 UTC] No.39143281[source]▶
Perhaps I am unlearned in this area but I am unclear why the Jewish state, after its people experienced the atrocities of World War II, would act in this manner toward the Palestinians. Can anyone shed light on this? I understand completely the need to rid the world of Hamas terrorists, but in the process they have shown a reckless disregard (to put it mildly) for Palestinian people and their wellbeing.
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smoothjazz ◴[26 Jan 24 14:57 UTC] No.39143315[source]▶
It's not about religion, it's about occupation. Zionists got permission to occupy the land from the British with The Balfour Declaration then started the invasion in full in 1948 with Nakba. When you occupy someone's land, there can never be peace until they get their land back or are fully exterminated or controlled militarily. This is why colonization most often leads to genocide or permanent apartheid.
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voisin ◴[26 Jan 24 15:22 UTC] No.39143657[source]▶
I have read a bit about this and I understand the explanation but I still don’t understand how a group of people subject to genocide can turn around and a few generations later be behaving in many (obviously not all) of the same ways toward another group. I would think that if anything the Israeli people would have some empathy and try to find a two state solution that exists in peace.
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robertoandred ◴[26 Jan 24 20:18 UTC] No.39147648[source]▶
Eliminating Hamas is not genocide though. Pretending that war is a video game only helps their propaganda.
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1. voisin ◴[26 Jan 24 21:49 UTC] No.39149013[source]▶
I refer in my comment to the impact to non-Hamas Palestinians. Eliminating the terrorist organization of Hamas is not controversial (at least in my mind), but the civilian casualties to regular Palestinians seems to be indefensible (again, at least in my mind)
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2. Gibbon1 ◴[26 Jan 24 22:06 UTC] No.39149263[source]▶
Problem is no one will take refugees from Gaza even temporarily. If countries would the death toll would be much less. The reason Egypt doesn't is because Hamas has links to and provides support for Islamic terrorists groups involved the Sinai Insurgency. I think that hope had been that over time since 2007 Hamas would moderate and act more rationally. Instead the opposite has happened.

So the combination having to destroy Hamas and the unwillingness of other countries to take refugees is terrible for hapless civilians.

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3. Qem ◴[26 Jan 24 23:25 UTC] No.39150292[source]▶
> Problem is no one will take refugees from Gaza even temporarily.

Problem is history shows "temporary" displacement tend to become permanent displacement (AKA Ethnic cleansing) under the current settler-apartheid regime ruling Israel, so other countries understandably refrain to abet ethnic cleansing.

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4. CapricornNoble ◴[27 Jan 24 00:01 UTC] No.39150642[source]▶
> Problem is no one will take refugees from Gaza even temporarily. If countries would the death toll would be much less.

Why should other countries bear the burden and costs for a problem that is overwhelmingly a consequence of the actions of the Israeli state in general, and the current far-right government in particular?

5. Gibbon1 ◴[27 Jan 24 05:52 UTC] No.39152989{3}[source]▶
I agree the worst thing that could happen is displaced Palestinians from Gaza refusing to go back to where other people have decided they have to live because otherwise it'd be ethnic cleansing.