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ICJ orders Israel to prevent genocide in Gaza, stops short of ordering ceasefire

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seydor[dead post] ◴[26 Jan 24 21:01 UTC] No.39148276[source]▶
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sebzim4500 ◴[26 Jan 24 21:11 UTC] No.39148442[source]▶
Both of these numbers pale in comparison to the civilian losses of Germany in WWII, and the Allies are not generally considered to have performed a genocide.

Clearly the absolute number of casualties (not even civilian casualties in this case, that is allegedly more like 15k) is not sufficient on its own to define a genocide.

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smoothjazz ◴[26 Jan 24 21:17 UTC] No.39148527[source]▶
The raw number of people killed isn't indicative of a genocide, it's intent and actions against a specific population. Over 1.5 million (out of 2 million) Gaza residents are displaced and facing starvation. Almost all of the hospitals in Gaza have been destroyed. Many would say Israel is committing genocide and the court today said they will continue the investigation because it's plausible.
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1. zmgsabst ◴[26 Jan 24 21:31 UTC] No.39148746[source]▶
That alone doesn’t amount to a genocide:

- They’re displaced because there was active fighting in their homes.

- Hospitals were destroyed because they were being used as military outposts.

Neither of those violates the rules of war, though Hamas using hospitals as outposts is a war crime.

I think it’s a tragedy the government of Gaza brought this disaster down upon them by committing war crimes against their stronger neighbor and then further war crimes using their own population as human shields.

But that’s not a genocide.

Gaza can surrender any time and the collateral damage isn’t out of line with modern urban conflicts. Eg, US in Iraq.

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2. smoothjazz ◴[26 Jan 24 21:50 UTC] No.39149024[source]▶
Hamas was not using hospitals as outposts. That's been debunked time and time again.
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3. dralley ◴[26 Jan 24 22:08 UTC] No.39149290[source]▶
Here's a video of an RPG being fired from the doorstep of a hospital. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pka7H1aMlkQ
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4. smoothjazz ◴[26 Jan 24 22:13 UTC] No.39149369{3}[source]▶
That first video looks like a guy with an RPG walking around an already bombed out parking lot (not firing at anything).

What the second video is supposed to show is anyone's guess.