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aaomidi ◴[] No.39146547[source]
I do think that their future Feb ruling is going to call for a ceasefire. If they called for one now, Israel & especially the US were just going to ignore it and reduce the power of the court.

Israel has created a beast that I don't think they can control themselves. I do think that the court is going to get more legitimacy after they explicitly tell Israel to __chill__, for Israel not to chill, and then get the ceasefire ruling against them & potentially an intensification of the genocide case.

Meanwhile, unfortunately, real people are suffering so these political games can be played.

I am so deeply disappointed in the Biden administration here. They're throwing away a lot of the good work they've done, and are actively getting Trump elected. People, naturally, do not want to participate in an election that is giving them a choice between ${person_currently_helping_a_genocide} and ${person_that_will_intensify_genocide}. You're just going to get voter apathy, and the consequences from that.

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theyinwhy ◴[] No.39147136[source]
The US, under whichever administration, is in a very difficult position here. If the US stops all support immediately, this could be the end of Israel. Would that be just? I see a president carefully dancing on the thin line of supporting the Israel state while using the US leverage to stop the war (latest example: sending the CIA chief to the negotiating table). But this needs to be done without enabling Israel's biggest adversaries that support a Jihad against the people of Israel.
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Sporktacular ◴[] No.39147490[source]
Israel has nuclear weapons. By the logic of even developing them, there's no reason not to deploy them if it faces conquest. Any existential crisis facing Israel will not come from outside.
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smoothjazz ◴[] No.39147535[source]
Israel can face defeat without everybody dying (which is what would happen if they tried to use nuclear weapons). The US has enough control over Israel to make sure that never happens. We are a far greater military power than Israel.
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Sporktacular ◴[] No.39148075{3}[source]
If they were being successfully invaded, and facing defeat, the US would not be able to stop them from using nukes. What is the US going to do otherwise? End its support of a country that no longer exists?
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smoothjazz ◴[] No.39148118{4}[source]
The US has a military with deep intelligence ties. They would stop Israel from using nuclear weapons even if that meant invading Israel and taking out all of the leaders. There's no way the US would allow Israel to use a nuclear weapon.
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Sporktacular ◴[] No.39148374{5}[source]
You're gonna just guess that's true? That they will have perfect intelligence and a perfect capability to prevent a determined decision? What we do have some evidence for is Israel's ignoring the US calls for moderation.
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1. smoothjazz ◴[] No.39148415{6}[source]
Yes, I'm totally confident that Israel will not be allowed to use nuclear weapons and the US's vast military apparatus can stop them.
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