←back to thread

ICJ orders Israel to prevent genocide in Gaza, stops short of ordering ceasefire

(apnews.com)
517 points xbar | 1 comments | 26 Jan 24 14:35 UTC | HN request time: 0s | source
Show context
aaomidi ◴[26 Jan 24 19:00 UTC] No.39146547[source]▶
I do think that their future Feb ruling is going to call for a ceasefire. If they called for one now, Israel & especially the US were just going to ignore it and reduce the power of the court.

Israel has created a beast that I don't think they can control themselves. I do think that the court is going to get more legitimacy after they explicitly tell Israel to __chill__, for Israel not to chill, and then get the ceasefire ruling against them & potentially an intensification of the genocide case.

Meanwhile, unfortunately, real people are suffering so these political games can be played.

I am so deeply disappointed in the Biden administration here. They're throwing away a lot of the good work they've done, and are actively getting Trump elected. People, naturally, do not want to participate in an election that is giving them a choice between ${person_currently_helping_a_genocide} and ${person_that_will_intensify_genocide}. You're just going to get voter apathy, and the consequences from that.

replies(10): >>39146747 #>>39146820 #>>39146881 #>>39146967 #>>39146974 #>>39147136 #>>39147302 #>>39147623 #>>39147637 #>>39148840 #
theyinwhy ◴[26 Jan 24 19:41 UTC] No.39147136[source]▶
The US, under whichever administration, is in a very difficult position here. If the US stops all support immediately, this could be the end of Israel. Would that be just? I see a president carefully dancing on the thin line of supporting the Israel state while using the US leverage to stop the war (latest example: sending the CIA chief to the negotiating table). But this needs to be done without enabling Israel's biggest adversaries that support a Jihad against the people of Israel.
replies(3): >>39147257 #>>39147490 #>>39148587 #
handoflixue ◴[26 Jan 24 19:49 UTC] No.39147257[source]▶
> If the US stops all support immediately, this could be the end of Israel.

How would Israel disappear? Palestine is clearly no match for them - who else is expected to suddenly move in?

I certainly think we could stop funding their military while still pledging to support them if someone actually tries to invade.

Keep in mind, Israel has it's own defense budget - it's not like it's military just disappears when US funding dries up

replies(4): >>39147370 #>>39147467 #>>39147993 #>>39150700 #
1. ben_w ◴[26 Jan 24 20:40 UTC] No.39147993[source]▶
> How would Israel disappear? Palestine is clearly no match for them - who else is expected to suddenly move in?

They've had wars with all their immediate neighbours since the modern state was created: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arab–Israeli_conflict#Notable_...

Some of those countries are more friendly now, but loss of USA support would be huge. Such a removal of support would IMO be extremely unlikely due to how USA internal politics looks like from outside.

American foreign policy wasn't parodied as "world police" for nothing.

> I certainly think we could stop funding their military while still pledging to support them if someone actually tries to invade.

Subtly and nuance? Oh how I wish any politics cared about that.

I'm assuming, from the PoV of Israel and the Jewish diaspora in the USA, that because the specific attack that set this in motion was much much worse (proportionally speaking) than the 9/11 attacks were to the USA, anything less than 100% uncritical total support will look like "a betrayal" or "giving in to terrorism", to enough of the Jewish electorate in the USA, as to make that kind of talk unviable for at least a decade.

Real people aren't Vulcans. Emotions are raw, and will remain that way for a long time. And so the cycle will continue until either one side or the other is dead, or some absolute negotiating genius steps in and manages something even more impressive than the Good Friday Agreement in Northern Ireland.

(Makes me wish for Mo Mowlam to be reincarnated; good luck to you if she was an inspiration!)