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ICJ orders Israel to prevent genocide in Gaza, stops short of ordering ceasefire

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517 points xbar | 20 comments | 26 Jan 24 14:35 UTC | HN request time: 2.057s | source | bottom
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aaomidi ◴[26 Jan 24 19:00 UTC] No.39146547[source]▶
I do think that their future Feb ruling is going to call for a ceasefire. If they called for one now, Israel & especially the US were just going to ignore it and reduce the power of the court.

Israel has created a beast that I don't think they can control themselves. I do think that the court is going to get more legitimacy after they explicitly tell Israel to __chill__, for Israel not to chill, and then get the ceasefire ruling against them & potentially an intensification of the genocide case.

Meanwhile, unfortunately, real people are suffering so these political games can be played.

I am so deeply disappointed in the Biden administration here. They're throwing away a lot of the good work they've done, and are actively getting Trump elected. People, naturally, do not want to participate in an election that is giving them a choice between ${person_currently_helping_a_genocide} and ${person_that_will_intensify_genocide}. You're just going to get voter apathy, and the consequences from that.

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1. Aunche ◴[26 Jan 24 20:18 UTC] No.39147637[source]▶
> I am so deeply disappointed in the Biden administration here.

What do you expect him to do? With or without any assistance, Israel has more than enough weapons completely annihilate Gaza. Don't forget that they likely have nuclear capabilities. Israel believes they are demonstrating restraint and this restraint is the first thing to go if Israel feels like it's being backed into a corner.

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2. aaomidi ◴[26 Jan 24 20:31 UTC] No.39147846[source]▶
Things like this are bad: https://apnews.com/article/us-israel-gaza-arms-hamas-bypass-...

More public denouncement of what Israel is doing.

Get the Department of State to start sanctioning heads of state of Israel that are actively calling for a genocide.

He's effectively done nothing other than "handling it in private."

3. krainboltgreene ◴[26 Jan 24 20:38 UTC] No.39147960[source]▶
> What do you expect him to do?

At least as much as Ronald Regan: https://www.upi.com/Archives/1982/08/12/A-shocked-and-outrag...

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4. Aunche ◴[26 Jan 24 20:55 UTC] No.39148181[source]▶
A major difference is that Israel instigated the first large scale attacks in the 1982 War, whereas Hamas instigated the ongoing war.
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5. rufus_foreman ◴[26 Jan 24 21:13 UTC] No.39148483[source]▶
>> Israel believes they are demonstrating restraint

From the section of the ICJ ruling dealing with dehumanizing language used by Israeli officials:

> "I have released all restraints . . . You saw what we are fighting against. We are fighting human animals"

-- Mr Yoav Gallant, Defence Minister of Israel

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6. sebzim4500 ◴[26 Jan 24 21:16 UTC] No.39148520[source]▶
Ok but they haven't literally released all restraints because no nuclear weapons have been used.
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7. pphysch ◴[26 Jan 24 21:30 UTC] No.39148728{3}[source]▶
Why would they use nuclear weapons on territory they intend to annex and settle?
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8. arwineap ◴[26 Jan 24 21:45 UTC] No.39148948{4}[source]▶
Modern nukes don't have lasting radiation fallout
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9. tda ◴[26 Jan 24 21:49 UTC] No.39149012[source]▶
I am not so sure. I believe Israel only exists by the mercy of support from their Allies. The minute they lose that support Israel is doomed. The country is surrounded by enemies on all sides. Sure their military could win a conventional war with their nukes against any of their neighbors. But on the long term a small country with a small population and limited natural resources needs friends to run an economy big enough to support the huge military it needs to defend itself. And Israel is running out of friends fast. Sympathy for Israel in the West is surely declining at lightning speed with the current situation, I would not be surprised if this conflict is the start of the end of the country
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10. mikrotikker ◴[26 Jan 24 21:54 UTC] No.39149106{3}[source]▶
Not to mention these guys would have heard of the absolute cruel and unusual torture directed at the female civilians before the rest of the world.
11. KittenInABox ◴[26 Jan 24 22:03 UTC] No.39149219{3}[source]▶
After 9/11, the united states president at least tried to say "hey not all muslims, alright?"
12. rufus_foreman ◴[26 Jan 24 22:30 UTC] No.39149649{3}[source]▶
I think that the statement by the head of the military that Israel is acting without any restraints is incompatible with the idea that Israel believes it is demonstrating restraint.
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13. krainboltgreene ◴[26 Jan 24 22:33 UTC] No.39149699{3}[source]▶
This is only the interpretation if you ignore the various killings of palestinians and journalists prior to October 7th at the hands of IDF: https://cpj.org/reports/2023/05/deadly-pattern-20-journalist...

Or when Israel bombed Gaza two months after the previous cease fire: https://abcnews.go.com/International/israel-bombs-gaza-city-...

14. HDThoreaun ◴[26 Jan 24 23:06 UTC] No.39150056{4}[source]▶
Faster than starving the gazans to death
15. Aunche ◴[26 Jan 24 23:30 UTC] No.39150355{4}[source]▶
My point is to make it clear that it was obviously a rhetorical speech rather than some ongoing military policy during the war. You know perfectly well what I meant by restraint.
16. __loam ◴[27 Jan 24 01:05 UTC] No.39151205{5}[source]▶
Imagine making excuses for breaking the nuclear taboo. That is the level this discourse is at.
17. nojvek ◴[27 Jan 24 01:54 UTC] No.39151585[source]▶
Israel seems to be optimizing for the short win at the cost of losing who they are.

Granted Hamas attacked them first but their actions give Jews worldwide a bad rep.

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18. nerpderp82 ◴[27 Jan 24 01:58 UTC] No.39151612{3}[source]▶
What is nuts is that the Zionists have convinced everyone that that they speak for all Jews. I have so much respect for the activists in Israel that must face immense social and political pressure.
19. nojvek ◴[27 Jan 24 02:00 UTC] No.39151629{5}[source]▶
You have sources for that?

From everything I’ve studied all super bombs (hydrogen fusion bombs) are also fission bombs. Since it is a chain of different kind of explosion stages that finally get the fusion reaction started.

First convention explosives then fission then fusion.

If they put it on Hamas, the radiation fallout would hit Israel pretty hard depending on winds.

It would fuck up Middle East in an awful way. Pretty much guarantee the Middle East Muslim countries ganging together to wipe out Israel completely.

20. shakil ◴[27 Jan 24 03:10 UTC] No.39152075[source]▶
All the US has to do is: nothing. Stop sending over tank shells [1], Fighter jets and attack helicopters [2], deploying aircraft carriers [3] and stop vetoing UN Security Council resolutions trying to impose a ceasefire [4]

1. https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2023/dec/09/biden-admini... 2. https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/2024-01-25/ty-article/.p... 3. https://www.voanews.com/a/us-aircraft-carrier-to-remain-in-m... 4. https://apnews.com/article/israel-palestinians-un-resolution...