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ICJ orders Israel to prevent genocide in Gaza, stops short of ordering ceasefire

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517 points xbar | 14 comments | 26 Jan 24 14:35 UTC | HN request time: 1.376s | source | bottom
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aaomidi ◴[26 Jan 24 19:00 UTC] No.39146547[source]▶
I do think that their future Feb ruling is going to call for a ceasefire. If they called for one now, Israel & especially the US were just going to ignore it and reduce the power of the court.

Israel has created a beast that I don't think they can control themselves. I do think that the court is going to get more legitimacy after they explicitly tell Israel to __chill__, for Israel not to chill, and then get the ceasefire ruling against them & potentially an intensification of the genocide case.

Meanwhile, unfortunately, real people are suffering so these political games can be played.

I am so deeply disappointed in the Biden administration here. They're throwing away a lot of the good work they've done, and are actively getting Trump elected. People, naturally, do not want to participate in an election that is giving them a choice between ${person_currently_helping_a_genocide} and ${person_that_will_intensify_genocide}. You're just going to get voter apathy, and the consequences from that.

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1. explaininjs ◴[26 Jan 24 20:28 UTC] No.39147801[source]▶
I don’t love Trump, but there’s no denying there was far less war, and especially US-funded war, when he was in office. Ukraine-Russia massively escalated as soon as someone in the pocket of the military industrial complex got put in power, as Putin knew it would, and Israel followed suit soon after.
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2. aaomidi ◴[26 Jan 24 20:44 UTC] No.39148032[source]▶
I'm not sure what I will do, but I'm not voting for Trump either way.

There is a lot written about civil disobedience through not partaking in electoral politics, and that's _likely_ the direction I'm going to go if Biden does not change his tone (and hopefully actually do a proper apology for his actions so far).

This sucks, and I'll participate in local and even congressional elections, but for president I can not really find myself voting for Biden. I do not expect myself to agree 100% with any candidate, but there are certain red-lines that a candidate can not cross. I have a few of those, being anti-abortion is not something I can tolerate in any candidate. Being pro-mass-killing-looking-like-genocide is also one. I suspect this feeling is not unique to me.

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3. ApolloFortyNine ◴[26 Jan 24 20:47 UTC] No.39148054[source]▶
Calling it a Muslim ban is pretty disingenuous, and always was. The ban left out some very large Muslim countries, such as Indonesia and Pakistan for example.
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4. albntomat0 ◴[26 Jan 24 20:50 UTC] No.39148109[source]▶
I find it hard to believe there’s correlation between the beginnings of Russia-Ukraine and Israel-Hamas and who the US president is.

If anything, Russia and Hamas are each less likely to spark each conflict (in the specific sense of invading Ukraine and 7 October, not the preconditions) knowing that the US is more likely to provide arms to Ukraine and Israel.

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5. r00fus ◴[26 Jan 24 20:58 UTC] No.39148234[source]▶
Biden apparently wants to lose. Watch every single campaign event be protested (many protesters are Jews). Yeah, that's definitely going to lower turnout on the DEM side.

Biden is not only going to lose, Trump might even get a trifecta.

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6. sebzim4500 ◴[26 Jan 24 21:20 UTC] No.39148570[source]▶
I'm not sure the protestors will be a net negative, lots of people protested trump in 2016 and them getting thrown out only encouraged his base. If you watch the videos of the Biden interruptions the crowd stays firmly on Biden's side.

Biden's issues at the moment are that economic sentiment is a lagging indicator of some variables that have only recently recovered to their normal values (inflation etc.). If these issues fix themselves we will have a better sense of whether Israel-Hamas War has meaningfully impacted him.

7. frob ◴[26 Jan 24 21:31 UTC] No.39148750[source]▶
He campaigned on banning Muslims. He then tried three different times to ban a large amount of Muslims. He regularly denigrates Muslims and blames them for our problems. According to his own people, he wanted to ban Muslims and wanted a fig-leaf to do it legally [1].

This kinda comes down to a case of who are you going to believe, a notorious fraudster and conman or your own lying eyes?

[1] https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2017/01/29/tr...

8. tumsfestival ◴[26 Jan 24 21:32 UTC] No.39148756{3}[source]▶
Considering Hamas' plan all along was to martyrize the Gaza population by feeding it to the lions, subsequently sabotaging Israel's relations with its neighbors and the global community, it does make sense they decided to provoke a war during Biden's term, a very outspoken zionist.
9. MeImCounting ◴[26 Jan 24 22:22 UTC] No.39149517[source]▶
Personally regardless of any other stance I will always vote along the abortion lines. I would hope others would be able to prioritize that as well. I dont want to see the US turn into a theocratic dictatorship.
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10. aaomidi ◴[26 Jan 24 22:48 UTC] No.39149870{3}[source]▶
That's why I'm still going to be voting in congressional elections.
11. explaininjs ◴[26 Jan 24 23:41 UTC] No.39150454{3}[source]▶
But Israel is far more likely to want conflict to occur. Evidence of such desire would take the form of ignoring intel from international community stating that an attack was planned, and allowing human-sized slow moving targets to pass through the air defense systems unassailed.
12. CapricornNoble ◴[27 Jan 24 01:37 UTC] No.39151438{3}[source]▶
Abortion is probably one of the leading causes of the demographic destruction (and by extension, destruction of political influence) of the black American community.

https://azcapitoltimes.com/news/2020/02/25/abortion-the-over...

Not only religious fanatics oppose it in its current form in America.

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13. MeImCounting ◴[27 Jan 24 03:11 UTC] No.39152078{4}[source]▶
Far and away the greatest opposition to abortion is religious in nature. Certainly other groups might oppose it for varying reasons but they are an extreme minority.

I would even venture to say that those other groups oppose it in part because of cultural effects of religious ethics infecting the rest of society.

14. aaomidi ◴[27 Jan 24 03:23 UTC] No.39152172{4}[source]▶
I am for choice of people to decide if they have kids. These arguments have no effect on me.