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voisin ◴[] No.39143281[source]
Perhaps I am unlearned in this area but I am unclear why the Jewish state, after its people experienced the atrocities of World War II, would act in this manner toward the Palestinians. Can anyone shed light on this? I understand completely the need to rid the world of Hamas terrorists, but in the process they have shown a reckless disregard (to put it mildly) for Palestinian people and their wellbeing.
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throwaway55479 ◴[] No.39144129[source]
Israel's tactic has always been deterrence: I will inflict you so much pain that you will think twice before doing this again. Despite being proven wrong, a "realist politician' will automatically think of adding more (and then some) deterrence as the only solution.

I remember 20 years ago, during the first bombing of Gaza, they hit just ONE building and felt pressured enough to apologize for the handful of civilian deaths. Unfortunately, faced with larger threats (real or imaginary) and weak international pressure, Israel has been able to escalate the level of deterrence through the years to what we are witnessing now.

That is why any ruling to curb that "automatic" escalation (like today) is wholeheartedly welcomed.

IMO there are also subtler layers of racism coloring these policies. It's not as blatant as the far-right rhetoric, but a persistent undertone within elements of Israeli society justifies severe deterrence tactics and totally overide any empathy learnt from historical lessons.

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1. bsaul ◴[] No.39146503[source]
Note that the least you can say is that escalation is happening on both sides. Oct 7 level of atrocities has never been seen before in israel.
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2. throwaway55479 ◴[] No.39146847[source]
Yes. That is why I said: faced with larger threats

What I can add is that this is indeed not just a "larger" threat for them. It "activated" a millennium-deep Jewish trauma (through pogroms up to the Holocaust). Deep, very deep.

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3. dang ◴[] No.39147089[source]
Since you've continued to post in the flamewar style after we repeatedly asked you to stop, I've banned this account. See https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=39146733 also.

If you don't want to be banned, you're welcome to email hn@ycombinator.com and give us reason to believe that you'll follow the rules in the future. They're here: https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html.

4. LegitShady ◴[] No.39149082[source]
I think any country faced with the same situation would act the same, or even less restrained. It's not some kind of esoteric jewish trauma.
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5. throwaway55479 ◴[] No.39149755{3}[source]
Maybe. However, the situation itself is so special, I'm not sure how you would "generalize it" to others. And there is really nothing esoteric about the deep trauma. It is widely documented.