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goalonetwo ◴[] No.38483814[source]
The whole defense industry leaves a bad taste in my mouth. Once you peel the narrative that we are supposed to be the good guys (hint: in some/most cases, we are not), you realize that you really just help to kill people.
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adastra22 ◴[] No.38483888[source]
You can stick your head in the sand and pretend that humanity is not an intrinsically violent species, and that if we all held hands and sang Kumbaya we'd be able to get along peaceably and without need for defensive tools.

Or you can wake up to the reality that a strong defensive, and sometimes offensive capability is required in order to enforce the state of peace that we all take for granted, and be part of the process of keeping all the sheeps safe.

The sheepdog is a scary beast. It growls, it bites, and it intimidates sheep and wolf alike. But the herd is better off with it than without.

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zmgsabst[dead post] ◴[] No.38484016[source]
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yakshaving_jgt ◴[] No.38484092[source]
The US army has helped stop the russians from killing me and my friends in Ukraine.

The russians launch missiles and drones at civilians, like me.

Last October, I was sitting at my kitchen table, writing Haskell and working on my startup, when outside my kitchen window the local air defence successfully blasted a Shahed 136 out of the air. Both the missile trail and the cloud from the explosion hung in the air for several minutes. I have a good photo of it.

The air defence doesn’t always work. Sometimes it’s extremely loud, even when we’re sitting in the underground shelter during an air raid. Sometimes people die. So far it’s mostly been women and children.

I might have misinterpreted your comment, but “it made the sheep less safe” seems both wildly inaccurate and offensive. And to characterise it as the sponsoring of “Banderites”, well, I’d ask you which department of the kremlin you work for.

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zmgsabst[dead post] ◴[] No.38484157[source]
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koonsolo[dead post] ◴[] No.38484378[source]
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dang ◴[] No.38504420[source]
You can't attack another user like this here, no matter how wrong they are or you feel they are. Please make your substantive points thoughtfully and avoid posting in the flamewar style.

I'm going to post the same reply to the users breaking the site guidelines on the opposite side of this fight. We don't want this kind of battle here, and we ban accounts that do it repeatedly.

If you'd please review https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html and stick to the rules from now on, we'd appreciate it.

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1. koonsolo ◴[] No.38505698[source]
Ok I'll avoid personal attacks next time.

But to be fair, maybe you should include a topic about spreading Russian propaganda there, because it's a huge problem in EU: https://www.consilium.europa.eu/en/documents-publications/li...

A discussion about the involvement of NATO is fair game, but "Ukraine bombing the Donbas" is a 100% Russian propaganda lie. I own my own platform, and such a statement would be an instant ban of that account.

I'm all for free speech, but like I showed, Russian propaganda poses a real threat for us here in the EU.

So in my defense, "Russian mouthpiece" was a factual statement ;), but I understand it's also a personal attack.