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goalonetwo ◴[] No.38483814[source]
The whole defense industry leaves a bad taste in my mouth. Once you peel the narrative that we are supposed to be the good guys (hint: in some/most cases, we are not), you realize that you really just help to kill people.
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adastra22 ◴[] No.38483888[source]
You can stick your head in the sand and pretend that humanity is not an intrinsically violent species, and that if we all held hands and sang Kumbaya we'd be able to get along peaceably and without need for defensive tools.

Or you can wake up to the reality that a strong defensive, and sometimes offensive capability is required in order to enforce the state of peace that we all take for granted, and be part of the process of keeping all the sheeps safe.

The sheepdog is a scary beast. It growls, it bites, and it intimidates sheep and wolf alike. But the herd is better off with it than without.

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zmgsabst[dead post] ◴[] No.38484016[source]
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ethanwillis ◴[] No.38484063[source]
Why did you use the word Banderite?
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zmgsabst ◴[] No.38484083[source]
Banderites: followers of Stepan Bandera.

You know, those people with Nazi insignia that are celebrated as heroes in Ukraine.

And feature in NATO photos.

https://www.newsweek.com/nato-says-it-didnt-notice-ukraine-s...

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yakshaving_jgt ◴[] No.38484127[source]
You have to be pretty out of touch (or just dishonest) to think that russia’s war against Ukraine has anything to do with Naziism.

https://amp.theguardian.com/world/2022/oct/02/pro-kremlin-ne...

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zmgsabst ◴[] No.38484165[source]
Russia’s war in Ukraine is about NATO being on their doorstep and the failure of negotiated peace.

That doesn’t change that the US trained and armed Banderites in Ukraine.

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1. skjoldr ◴[] No.38486616[source]
NATO countries have never attacked peaceful and non-aggressive governments that take good care of their own people.

Russia, obviously, is not one of them. It's their problem, not NATO's.