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corry ◴[] No.37966968[source]
“Pushing sales people to increase their amount of sales/quota is like asking meteorologists for sunshine”.

Hmmm it doesn’t seem unreasonable in that context? You’re really asking people to work more effectively, to accomplish the same amount of work more quickly.

It’s like asking sales people what their quota should be. They pick a number that is no-brainer hittable, because there is a lot of complexity and many unknown variables in getting deals signed, so to prevent looking bad they’ll pad their number. But their no-brainer number is below what the business needs.

So you tell them their quota is going to be a bit higher. They’ll have to stretch to hit it.

And it’s even MORE important since their comp is DIRECTLY tied to hitting that number.

And yet sales people aren’t writing article after article about how self-set quotas are sacrosanct, should only settable by sales people themselves, and how clueless management is to try to get more performance above the no-brainer target.

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watwut ◴[] No.37967206[source]
> “Pushing sales people to increase their amount of sales/quota is like asking meteorologists for sunshine”.

Not really, because those are not estimates. Also, consequences are different. With programmers, consequence is typically very buggy and hard to maintain software.

With sales, the consequence is a lot of fraud, followed by firing of every who is not comiting fraud and then even more fraud.

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1. replyifuagree ◴[] No.37970251[source]
You forgot elk dinners at nice restaurants! I'll never forget when CA threw everyone parties to celebrate the sale of software the company couldn't use.

P.S. Not really, you covered it nicely under fraud