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corry ◴[] No.37966968[source]
“Pushing sales people to increase their amount of sales/quota is like asking meteorologists for sunshine”.

Hmmm it doesn’t seem unreasonable in that context? You’re really asking people to work more effectively, to accomplish the same amount of work more quickly.

It’s like asking sales people what their quota should be. They pick a number that is no-brainer hittable, because there is a lot of complexity and many unknown variables in getting deals signed, so to prevent looking bad they’ll pad their number. But their no-brainer number is below what the business needs.

So you tell them their quota is going to be a bit higher. They’ll have to stretch to hit it.

And it’s even MORE important since their comp is DIRECTLY tied to hitting that number.

And yet sales people aren’t writing article after article about how self-set quotas are sacrosanct, should only settable by sales people themselves, and how clueless management is to try to get more performance above the no-brainer target.

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1. marcosdumay ◴[] No.37968936[source]
> “Pushing sales people to increase their amount of sales/quota is like asking meteorologists for sunshine”.

This would be perfectly true if you replace it for a sales estimate, instead of quota.

The problem here is incompetent managers lying to inexperienced developers to get them into an expensive contractual obligation. It's borderline fraud, and yes, that means working with that manager is something to be avoided.

But going to a developer and plainly demanding him to finish the work on some time can be as perfectly fine as doing the same with sales people.