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_rm ◴[] No.37966921[source]
It's more Machiavellian than that. What the middleman wants is a heads I win, tails you lose deal.

He wants to present a low number, to encourage whoever he's dealing with on his end to do what he wants, gaining the benefit from that.

So he'll use every technique under the sun to encourage devs to give him a number he likes more, while never making it look like an order or coercion (which would make it his number - spoiling the whole play).

But when it inevitably takes much longer, he can point at the numbers the devs provided and say he was just communicating what they told him, so he's not responsible.

The only language these types understand is for requests for estimates to be "reviewed" to result in them always going up, to send a message.

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1. nine_zeros ◴[] No.37968123[source]
This is very true. And this is exactly my manager and the skip - pushing arbitrary deadlines, not because some customer is waiting for it, but because they want to look good to their own bosses. When the estimate inevitably fails, they all raise their hands and start pipping people for their own poor estimation.

As an engineer, imagine living under this constant stress, missing time with your family and friends, and for what? Just to make your own manager's incompetent estimation look good?