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throwaway091ba ◴[] No.37965914[source]
Whenever this estimation question comes up, developers rarely put themselves in the shoes of the business side, and try to understand why there needs to be an estimate, and why shorter is always better than longer. What they do instead, is try to protect their holy land of software development, and exacerbate the differences between engineers and "the others" - sarcasm and cynisism usually shine through at this time, and that's how you end up with unrealistic estimations.

I've been a developer, PO, manager, director, CTO, the whole thing. I'm still shocked by how most (not all, but most) developers are simply too disconnected from the reality that, yes, they do need to provide value, and yes, that value does have a time factor. Lucky are we as developers, that people actually ASK us how long it will take, and give us the opportunity to explain it, push back, and actually defend your estimates. The sad reality (at least from 90% of my career), is that developers are rarely able to actually engage in business-level conversations, and actually express their thoughts/ideas/concerns/proposals, in a way that it drives the conversation forward. In a way that helps PMs and managers actually see the complexities of the work, and engage in healthy cost/benefit discussions.

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dlahoda ◴[] No.37966013[source]
why shorter is always better than longer?
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1. dubcanada ◴[] No.37966110[source]
The OP is talking about business, so having something done in 2 days versus 4 days is always better. Ignoring everything else, less time is less money.
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2. onionisafruit ◴[] No.37966753[source]
And on the other end, that’s two more days that the company gets the benefit of your new software.
3. gnulinux ◴[] No.37967784[source]
> Ignoring everything else

This is the problem with these kind of discussions. You cannot ignore everything else because everything else depends on 2 versus 4 days as well. Something that's done in 2 days can be exponentially worse than something done in 4 days such that in 6 months you can look back and rationally determine it was better to do it in 4 days.