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kypro ◴[] No.37601673[source]
I know this isn't what happened, but what if one day I'm waiting for the bus and I over hear a guy talking on their phone about an imminent acquisition?

1. Would that still fall under insider trading even if the information was accidentally heard, and even if I wasn't 100% sure of its accuracy?

2. If I had no clear connection to the company how would it be proven that I was trading on insider information? Surely it's not enough just to say the trade was statistically unlikely, or is it?

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kasey_junk ◴[] No.37601767[source]
The SEC has recently been pursuing very expansive insider trading definitions, and they are occasionally losing, so it’s very hard to say.

But traditionally in the US insider trading is not about market fairness, it’s about not stealing from shareholders. So if you have no obligation to the company or it’s shareholders you aren’t an insider. The phrase is “breach of a fiduciary duty or other relationship of trust and confidence”.

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tjrgergw ◴[] No.37603304[source]
But.... if you're trading options you're not stealing from the shareholders, right? The person on the other side is also trading options, not a shareholder.
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kasey_junk ◴[] No.37603605[source]
Yeah. This is a philosophical point that the law contemplates. Your option’s position is a theoretical position against the shareholders. I’m not convinced us insider trading laws are particularly logical or valuable (like most economists I think we shouldn’t have them) but you can usually back out the SEC position by figuring out how a shareholder was harmed.
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1. tjrgergw ◴[] No.37603945[source]
> like most economists I think we shouldn’t have them

Isn't that basically just scamming? I can tell you I have a box full of gold, sell it to you, and then it's not. You think this is ok?