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kypro ◴[] No.37601673[source]
I know this isn't what happened, but what if one day I'm waiting for the bus and I over hear a guy talking on their phone about an imminent acquisition?

1. Would that still fall under insider trading even if the information was accidentally heard, and even if I wasn't 100% sure of its accuracy?

2. If I had no clear connection to the company how would it be proven that I was trading on insider information? Surely it's not enough just to say the trade was statistically unlikely, or is it?

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kasey_junk ◴[] No.37601767[source]
The SEC has recently been pursuing very expansive insider trading definitions, and they are occasionally losing, so it’s very hard to say.

But traditionally in the US insider trading is not about market fairness, it’s about not stealing from shareholders. So if you have no obligation to the company or it’s shareholders you aren’t an insider. The phrase is “breach of a fiduciary duty or other relationship of trust and confidence”.

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andylynch ◴[] No.37602456[source]
Caveat that other jurisdictions do take a broader view (from memory, France is one that comes to mind where overhearing something confidential and trading on it is unlawful).
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1. kasey_junk ◴[] No.37602703[source]
Yes! Very explicitly I mention the US because our insider trading laws are based on a different theory than European laws (for instance)