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xyzelement ◴[] No.37600439[source]
I don't know if this is genuinely suspicious or not. Is buying 20K of options an unusual thing? Or is this something that happens regularly with options expiring worthless or with a small gain - and it just happened to hit big this time?

IE "someone bought a lottery ticket and won" - interesting to know if they play the lottery every other day (and don't usually win?)

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trowawee ◴[] No.37600544[source]
"short-dated out-of-the-money call options that cash out a day after a merger/acquisition" is, like, the definition of a suspicious transaction. Somebody's gonna get a knock on the door from the SEC.
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mcast ◴[] No.37600594[source]
Maybe unless that person was a US senator/congressperson.
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dmoy ◴[] No.37601026[source]
If they obtained info about this through their role as a senator/congressperson, and not just through normal channels. If I understand it correctly:

Insider trading off of classified or whatever info they get from their senate/congress job - not illegal (though imo it should be illegal). (Edit: as mandevil points out, strictly speaking illegal, but largely uneforceable/unenforced)

Insider trading off of info they got from their buddy at XYZ place who knew about something ahead of time, unrelated to their senate/congress job - still illegal, same as for other people.

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bee_rider ◴[] No.37601179[source]
Why don’t people track the investments of senators and congresspeople and race to follow them? It seems like an easy way to get nearly insider trading.
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qwytw ◴[] No.37601273[source]
Because:

> Trades executed by lawmakers or their families must be disclosed within 45 days of execution

Is probably an issue (it's it's actually insider trading).

People do track it, though:

https://www.capitoltrades.com/politicians

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1. ada1981 ◴[] No.37602066[source]
As in they need to announce them 45 days before they make them? Or 45 days after?
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2. dmoy ◴[] No.37602630[source]
After
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4. zinglersen ◴[] No.37603023[source]
After.
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5. ada1981 ◴[] No.37607959[source]
We really ought to make them disclose them in advance like CEOs.
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6. dmoy ◴[] No.37614979{3}[source]
I would be 100% supportive of all congresspeople being required to file 10b5-1 plans in advance for the whole year, for any stock holdings
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7. ada1981 ◴[] No.37634561{4}[source]
Right, they still get legally protected insider trading otherwise.

The public ought to benefit from the same insights and info.

And if a trade disclosure would be considered a threat to national security for some reason, you don’t make the trade.

8. ada1981 ◴[] No.37634568{4}[source]
Has anyone calculated how much $$$ has been made by Congress folks due to this type of trading?