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cynicalsecurity ◴[] No.37271086[source]
As much as I like my vacations, I would rather prefer US salary over it.
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lionkor ◴[] No.37271102[source]
Does the US salary hold up against the benefits you get in a well-off EU country? Namely free healthcare, automatic payments into pension fund, strong social system if you're ever in trouble, etc.?

It seems to me that, as high as US salaries are, they arent that much higher compared to European salaries when you factor all this in, plus the face that a month of that work youre paid for youre OOO

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jakewins ◴[] No.37271220[source]
I think you can do this math yourself pretty fast: US median software eng salary is about $170k/yr, German one is $80.

Both will include full health benefits etc.

With 5 weeks paid vacation in DE and 2 weeks in US, that would be $170k for 50 weeks if work vs $80k for 47 weeks.

Not counting US taxes being lower and looking only at gross pay, that’s about $1.7K/week in DE vs $3.4K/week in the US.

So after correcting for vacation, US engineers make about twice German counterparts

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1. laboratorymice ◴[] No.37273409[source]
Do you have a source for either of the numbers? Not sure a credible source even exists for the figures we are looking for, but I would be surprised if they showed the difference to be that large nationwide. A quick search gives me significantly lower medians for the US (maybe you wanted mean?).

Even with reliable figures, you definitely cannot just "do the math yourself pretty fast". You are ignoring a whole bunch of things like cost of living differences, working hours, working environment, anything that comes on top of the "gross" like employer pension and insurance (not just health) contributions. For example, the average working hours in developed Europe is 10-20% lower than in the US[1].

Also, as others have mentioned, you can't really take one specific profession and extrapolate. The European labor market is definitely less free-market and by design slower to adapt to shifts. There is a cultural preference for more equitable pay even at the expense of the so-called meritocracy. Software developer salaries in the US have perhaps increased faster than other professions, and less so in Europe. Maybe that's unfair, but the inequality that results from allowing labor markets to move at market-speed causes its own problems.

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_average_a...