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lionkor ◴[] No.37271090[source]
> While the average American is lucky to get 11 vacation days

WHAT? Does that count sick days as well, or is that a myth?

Here in Germany, I get 30 vacation days per calendar year, plus any sick days, and thats fairly normal.

Edit: Sure the absolute salaries here are lower, but the cost of living is vastly different and the social support structures and healthcare are different, too. That should definitely be kept in mind.

I dont need to drive my car a lot, because my city is fully walkable/bikeable, and thats not a super rare thing here. There are a lot of factors.

I feel vacation days are just a basic requirement for happiness, whereas being rich maybe isnt

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Mordisquitos ◴[] No.37271340[source]
Also, I'm amazed at the very idea of having a specific number of available sick days which I understand is the standard in the US. How on Earth is that something that is expected to be planned and accounted for by the employee? How can one "run out of" sick days? How do I see stories about US workers "donating" their unused sick leave days to a colleague with cancer or other long illness?

I'm too lazy to look up the details, but here in Spain the rules are something like no pay for the first 1–3 days of continued sick leave (if not a work accident, in which case you are paid from day 1), followed by a partial payment per day off (40% of base rate?) with gradual increase as the sick leave is prolonged (15 days maybe?) with the payment being gradually reimbursed to the employer by Social Security, I think up to 75% of the employee's base rate. Businesses may of course choose to top it up from their own purse.

Other than the business legitimately suspecting abuse of sick leave, the only special case breaks into effect when sick leave exceeds 365 continuous days, at which point long-term disability may be considered.

I cannot say how dystopic the idea of having limited sick days sounds to me. I am someone who very rarely gets sick, so I very rarely need to call in sick, but I simply know I am protected if I need to as a basic right. And some years ago I did have to make use of it unexpectedly (of course!).

Through no fault of my own I was involved in a traffic accident over a weekend which resulted in, among other minor injuries, a severe traumatic brain injury which could have killed me or left me disabled if it weren't for the emergency brain surgery I received. I spent a week in the ICU, another week in the main hospital wing, months of rehabilitation, and around 10 months of "sick leave" until I was able to work again. I was decently paid this whole period and at no point did I have to worry about losing my job (nor about "medical bills" of course!), being able to fully focus on myself and making a full recovery. I can only imagine how awful it could have been had I not had these basic protective rights as a worker and a citizen.

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1. apexalpha ◴[] No.37271755[source]
You don't run out of sick days, if you're sick you're sick.

You just run out of paid sick days. The employer will just drop you.

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2. Mordisquitos ◴[] No.37273013[source]
Do you mean "drop you" as in stop paying for you while you're off sick? Or is it "drop you" as in simply show you (an emailed picture of) the door and terminate your employment?

Both sound bad to me, but I can to a certain extent understand the logic behind the first option in terms of the financial interests of the company. I can definitely see a "Sorry Ashley, you're out of paid sick days so we won't be paying your salary this month, we can't afford paying for nothing. I hope you recover and can come back to work with us soon!". The way we make up for this in Spain (and I'm assuming in varying similar ways in other countries) is by having the Social Security start taking charge of growing percentages of the employee's salary during sick leave as it prolongs in time, so as to reduce the impact on the business.

The second "drop you" sounds much worse though. You have an illness or an accident bad enough that it exhausts your paid sick days, so your employer simply sacks you out of impatience? And what happens to the employment-dependent health insurance which (I assume) was what was covering you on your long sick leave? "Sorry Ashley, you're out of paid sick days so we're firing you. I hope you recover enough from your severe TBE before your savings run out so you can find a new job. Also I hope you weren't depending too much on our health insurance plan for rehab. Good luck!".

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3. 93po ◴[] No.37273350[source]
Yes, if you have an illness that takes you well beyond available paid sick days (usually around 5 to 10 days a year depending on employer), it is common that you will be fired and lose your job entirely. Some workplaces are more compassionate than others but not many

When this happens you lose your insurance too, usually at the end of the month. You can pay around $800-1200 a month to keep it though, more if there’s a spouse or kids

4. logosmonkey ◴[] No.37273394[source]
They will first stop paying your sick days and depending on what job you are in they may allow some additional time before they eventually fire you. If you are in a lower paying job it's likely you will be terminated earlier than someone in a higher paying white collar job.