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lionkor ◴[] No.37271090[source]
> While the average American is lucky to get 11 vacation days

WHAT? Does that count sick days as well, or is that a myth?

Here in Germany, I get 30 vacation days per calendar year, plus any sick days, and thats fairly normal.

Edit: Sure the absolute salaries here are lower, but the cost of living is vastly different and the social support structures and healthcare are different, too. That should definitely be kept in mind.

I dont need to drive my car a lot, because my city is fully walkable/bikeable, and thats not a super rare thing here. There are a lot of factors.

I feel vacation days are just a basic requirement for happiness, whereas being rich maybe isnt

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peoplefromibiza ◴[] No.37271357[source]
> I feel vacation days are just a basic requirement for happiness, whereas being rich maybe isnt

Not only that, they are a requirement to make a good worker, that consequently make a good company. If you burn out your employees you fall behind schedule pretty quickly, so you have to rely on high turnover, which isn't a great option either.

Take the example of Japan

With a new law taking effect in April 2019 requiring employees who are due 10 days or more of paid vacation to take at least five days off per year

Working too much can have tremendous social consequences

Japan has long had a reputation for being one of the most overworked countries in the world. The term karoshi, or death by overwork, emerged in the 1990s when an increasing number of Japanese professionals were dying from heart attacks and strokes. Recent years have seen an epidemic of suicide, in part because of work-related stress: of 30,000 suicides in 2011, 10,000 were believed to be related to overwork, according to the police.

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1. BlargMcLarg ◴[] No.37271481[source]
>If you burn out your employees

Burn out in Europe is still omnipresent and rising these days. This includes Germany, the 'chosen child' every proponent points at in these discussions. A few weeks off barely makes a dent in this and vacation days / time off hasn't been that noticeably different since the 70s/80s.

>Japan

That's just a law that pushes them to use it and keeps companies from going 'ah yeah difficult'. It's barely anything when work culture chains employees down to the whims of employers, or risking to be seen as dysfunctional for trying to get out of that 'I belong to my company' trap.

Surprise, that's the same culture that exists in most EU-countries. Just less hardcore.

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2. peoplefromibiza ◴[] No.37271708[source]
> Burn out in Europe is still omnipresent and rising these days

From what I know, I work for a very large insurance company, it's mostly healthcare department due to consequences of COVID. Which shouldn't have happened, but it id.

> This include Germany, the 'chosen child' every proponent points at in these discussions

I'm not German and I do not particularly trust Germany, in fact I think it's one of the worst Western European country to live and work.

> A few weeks off barely makes a dent

But it makes a difference, that's the point.

I was simply pointing out that paid vacation it's a tool that's very useful for companies too, as for the 70s and th 80s, I was there, it was much worse than today.

My parents worked for the national healthcare in my Country, in 12 hours shift, 5 consecutive nights. Now it's 8 hour shifts for a maximum of two consecutive nights and then you get mandatory 36 hours off and morning shifts for a week.

Try working 6 days a week for a month and then 5 days a week for a month and see how much those "only few days" make a dent in your well being.

> Surprise, that's the same culture that exists in most EU-countries. Just less hardcore.

I work 220 days/year and I'm off 145 days, it's pretty standard here if you have a standard contract, so no freelance, no contractor, no off the books, etc. (230 work days might be closer to the average, I got +10 days of holidays for thermal treatment, to cure my chronic sinusitis, yes, we have that too and the State also pays for the treatments)

Which is not exactly a "few weeks".

Could be better, but could be US style or Japan style.

p.s. the law in japan just forces employers out of work at least for a few days to counter their extreme workaholic culture, which is nothing like what we have here in Europe.

From Wikipedia (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_minimum_annual_leave_b...)

Minimum mandatory paid vacation days, normalized for a five-day workweek:

Japan: 6–10 days

My Country: 23–28 days

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3. FirmwareBurner ◴[] No.37272205[source]
>I work 220 days/year and I'm off 145 days, it's pretty standard here if you have a standard contract

Where is that, that you get 145 days of vacation?

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4. peoplefromibiza ◴[] No.37272496{3}[source]
I've said that I'm off 145 days, not that I have 145 days of paid vacation.

It includes weekends (52 of them), sick leave (paid), thermal treatments (paid), national holidays (paid, unless on a non-working day) and vacation (24 days, paid)

I also get 8 hours of paid permits per month, but I can take at max 4 consecutive hours per day. They are valid for a year, if I haven't used them after that, they get paid and the counter resets.

all of that in Italy.