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446 points tonmoy | 19 comments | 24 Aug 23 16:25 UTC | HN request time: 0.837s | source | bottom
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ajonit ◴[24 Aug 23 17:06 UTC] No.37251548[source]▶
While you are there, go through dang’s comments timeline https://news.ycombinator.com/threads?id=dang

Moderating something like HN is a very hard job. Gratitude .

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bowsamic ◴[24 Aug 23 17:26 UTC] No.37251867[source]▶
I understand why but I don’t like how people are individually rate limited silently without their knowledge. It is certainly immoral

EDIT: unfortunately I cannot defend my point in the comments, as I am now rate limited :)

EDIT 2: /u/Dylan16807 yes I'm seeing that. When I try and post it says "you are posting too quickly, please slow down"

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lazyasciiart ◴[24 Aug 23 23:57 UTC] No.37256087[source]▶
That was done to me as well. I still have no idea why and when I finally got it lifted dang didn't know why either. One of the most infuriating experiences I've had in a forum, and actively made worse by the sycophantic adoring articles going around at the time citing their "personal human touch". dang explained that they can't possibly have time to give everyone that personal human touch! But not to the reporters, apparently.
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1. tptacek ◴[25 Aug 23 00:40 UTC] No.37256408[source]▶
Have you considered asking for a refund?
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2. bowsamic ◴[25 Aug 23 01:02 UTC] No.37256578[source]▶
HN is free. If you paid for it, you have been scammed
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3. lazyasciiart ◴[25 Aug 23 01:20 UTC] No.37256689[source]▶
He knows that. I suspect he is implying that I have nothing to complain about because it is a free service, which is a pretty vacuous argument.
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4. tptacek ◴[25 Aug 23 01:24 UTC] No.37256725{3}[source]▶
It's a response to your expectation of personalized service.
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5. bowsamic ◴[25 Aug 23 06:19 UTC] No.37258683{4}[source]▶
I think you need to take a basic class in ethics if you think ethics are determined entirely by rights and law
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6. pvg ◴[25 Aug 23 09:39 UTC] No.37259790{5}[source]▶
A stranger providing you a service for free doesn't have an ethical obligation to answer your emails.
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7. bowsamic ◴[25 Aug 23 12:01 UTC] No.37260711{6}[source]▶
Personally I think they do
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8. lapcat ◴[25 Aug 23 12:35 UTC] No.37260994{4}[source]▶
Many or most so-called "free" services, e.g., Twitter, Facebook, etc., are a front for another money-making scheme. If you're not the customer, you're the product.

Hacker News is an advertisement for Y Combinator.

Let's not pretend that this is a charity.

It's also worth noting that the operators of such "free" services don't publicly take the haughty attitude of "if you don't like the service, you can have a refund of $0". You'll never hear that rhetoric from dang. They want people to use their services. Only unaffiliated outside defenders use that rhetoric.

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9. tptacek ◴[25 Aug 23 13:14 UTC] No.37261341{5}[source]▶
The operator of the service hasn't taken that haughty attitude. A fellow user of the service has. They're feeling haughtier by the minute, it seems.
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10. lapcat ◴[25 Aug 23 14:26 UTC] No.37262099{6}[source]▶
> They're feeling haughtier by the minute, it seems.

Who are you referring to? I'm not the one who requested a response from the moderators.

11. shadowgovt ◴[25 Aug 23 15:11 UTC] No.37262601{7}[source]▶
I'd be interested to learn more about the moral framework that arrives at such a conclusion.

Broadly speaking, the hacker ethos has relied on a "share and enjoy" metric, a direct reference to a bit from Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy. People sometimes forget that the bit goes on to offer specific suggestions for those who are receiving something for free and have complaints regarding the flavor directed at the provider.

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12. pvg ◴[25 Aug 23 17:32 UTC] No.37264552{7}[source]▶
https://www.poetryfoundation.org/poems/44049/a-man-said-to-t...
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13. bowsamic ◴[25 Aug 23 19:57 UTC] No.37266315{8}[source]▶
I think that even if you offer a service for free you are obliged to offer a level of quality and support, much like how you can’t just sell poisonous ice cream. I don’t believe in “share and enjoy” and I don’t think that “warranty free” is morally good
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14. bowsamic ◴[25 Aug 23 19:57 UTC] No.37266319{8}[source]▶
It actually has, that sense of obligation is me, since I am the universe
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15. shadowgovt ◴[25 Aug 23 20:20 UTC] No.37266544{9}[source]▶
> you can't sell poisonous ice cream

There's licensing around selling food. I wouldn't be against "license to practice software development," but I'd note that (a) that's a very different world than the one we live in and (b) I don't know that most of the open source software we enjoy, hack on, and bemoan would exist in a universe where licensing standards made every software engineer who had authored it beholden to a minimum standard of quality before distributing it.

Would apache have survived in a world where software engineers, or their software, had to be quality-certified? Would MySQL? Would Linux?

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16. shadowgovt ◴[25 Aug 23 20:28 UTC] No.37266625{9}[source]▶
Other independent observers may disagree on your self-assessment.
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17. bowsamic ◴[25 Aug 23 20:49 UTC] No.37266851{10}[source]▶
If they think that I’m not the universe, they’re wrong
18. bowsamic ◴[25 Aug 23 20:49 UTC] No.37266861{10}[source]▶
Again, law is not morality.

> Would apache have survived in a world where software engineers, or their software, had to be quality-certified? Would MySQL? Would Linux?

Yes

19. lazyasciiart ◴[28 Aug 23 07:59 UTC] No.37291140{4}[source]▶
My expectation is that he describes his level of personalized service the same way in private emails as in public comments. If you find that expectation overly haughty, well, you know where the refund button is.