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endisneigh ◴[] No.36881965[source]
How exactly is WEI any worse than say a peep-hole on a door? At the end of the day bots are a huge problem and it's only getting worse. What's the alternative solution? You need to know who you're dealing with, both in life and clearly on the web.

I'm probably alone in this, but WEI is a good thing. Anyone who's run a site knows the headache around bots. Sites that don't care about bots can simply not use WEI. Of course, we know they will use it, because bots are a headache. Millions of engineer hours are wasted yearly on bot nonsense.

With the improvements in AI this was inevitable anyway. Anyone who thinks otherwise is delusional. Reap what you sow and what not.

edit: removing ssl comparison since it's not really my point to begin with

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NoMoreNicksLeft ◴[] No.36882088[source]
Anyone using a browser without this feature will end up becoming second class citizens who must jump through (extreme) hoops to use the web...

Or they're just walled off from most of the web entirely.

I use a variety of personally developed web scraper scripts. For instance, I have digital copies of every paystub. These will almost all become worthless. My retirement plan at a previous employer would not let me download monthly statements unless I did it manually... it was able to detect the Mechanize library, and responded with some creepy-assed warning against robots.

No one would go to the trouble to do that manually every month, and no one was allowed robots apparently. But at least they needed to install some specialty software somewhere to disallow it. This shit will just make it even easier for the assholes.

I also worry about tools I sometimes use for things like Selenium.

This isn't SSL.

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hnav ◴[] No.36882336[source]
To be fair it's only a matter of time until CV and NNs replace Webdriver/Selenium as the goto for scraping. First using accessibility APIs and later on imagine something you plug into USB C that emulates DisplayPort and HID devices.
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1. alex7734 ◴[] No.36887004{3}[source]
At which point you use CAPTCHA.

The goal of WEI is not to get rid of bots, that's just a bonus, it is to remove user control and customization over his own experience.