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Apple already shipped attestation on the web, and we barely noticed

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596 points pimterry | 1 comments | 25 Jul 23 14:10 UTC | HN request time: 0s | source
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toyg ◴[25 Jul 23 14:54 UTC] No.36863175[source]▶
This might be where the internet really gets forked, as it's been predicted over and over since the '90s.

On one side, we'll have a "clean", authority-sanctioned "corpweb", where everyone is ID'ed to the wazoo; on the other, a more casual "greynet" galaxy of porn and decentralized communities will likely emerge, once all tinkerers get pushed out of corpnet. It could be an interesting opportunity to reboot a few long-lost dreams.

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Analemma_ ◴[25 Jul 23 15:16 UTC] No.36863564[source]▶
If that happens, governments will just order ISPs and mobile carriers to block greynet access.

As cool as 90's cyberpunk dreams are, to me they always seem to ignore the physical reality that your connection to "the net" always has to go through the chokepoint of an ISP, and that this ultimately is an indissoluble barrier on just how anti-establishment the internet can ultimately be.

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WanderPanda ◴[25 Jul 23 15:53 UTC] No.36864185[source]▶
yep, I think it is a miracle that we can still reach almost any IP from any other one. Only a matter of time until this goes away imo. I‘m already increasingly forced to bounce around VPNs to access websites from different countries
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1. bamfly ◴[25 Jul 23 16:09 UTC] No.36864521[source]▶
Future routing protocols (already under development) that include end-to-end route verification will be the end of it, I expect. "Democratizing" part of the Great Firewall and building it into the 'net itself. Only way around it will be proxying, and that'll risk getting the proxying-IP partially blocked, if it's caught or any of the traffic is deemed "bad", and requires that you can route to the proxy itself in the first place. Won't be entirely immune to circumvention, of course, but will make selective and region-blocks and throttling more common and more precise, and significantly raise the bar for getting around it (which'll probably be illegal nearly everywhere, too).