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yomlica8 ◴[] No.36447314[source]
It blows my mind how unresponsive modern tech is, and it frustrates me constantly. What makes it even worse is how unpredictable the lags are so you can't even train yourself around it.

I was watching Halt and Catch Fire and in the first season the engineering team makes a great effort to meet something called the "Doherty Threshold" to keep the responsiveness of the machine so the user doesn't get frustrated and lose interest. I guess that is lost to time!

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sidewndr46 ◴[] No.36447344[source]
Even worse is the new trend of web pages optimizing for page load time. You wind up with a page that loads "instantly" but has almost none of the data you need displayed. Instead there are 2 or 3 AJAX requests to load the data & populate the DOM. Each one results in a repaint, wasting CPU and causing the page content to move around.
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danieldk ◴[] No.36448336[source]
This drives me crazy, especially because it breaks finding within a page. Eg. if you order food and you already know what you want.

Old days: Cmd + f, type what you want.

New days: first scroll to the end of the page so that all the contents are actually loaded. Cmd + f, type what you want.

Is just a list of dishes, some with small thumbnails, some without any images at all. If you can't load a page with 30 dishes fast enough, you have a serious problem (you could always lazily load the thumbnails if you want to cheat).

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sazz ◴[] No.36449636[source]
Well, the tech stack is insane: Some virtual machine running a web browser process running a virtual machine for a html renderer which consumes a document declaration language incorporating a scripting language to overcome the document limitations trying to build interactive programs.

Actually much worse as Microsoft once did with their COM model, ActiveX based on MFC foundation classes with C++ templates, etc.

And to build those interactive programs somebody is trained to use React, Vue, etc. using their own eco systems of tools. This is operated by a stack of build tools, a stack of distribution tools, kubernetes for hosting and AWS for managing that whole damn thing.

Oh - and do not talk even about Dependency Management, Monitoring, Microservices, Authorization and so on...

But I really wonder - what would be more complex?

Building interactive programs based on HTML or Logo (if anybody does remember)?

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1. syntheweave ◴[] No.36452358[source]
Well, the way in which we got there is in adding more features to the "obvious" answer: all any given site necessarily has to do, to have the same presentation as today, is place pixels on the screen, change the pixels when the user clicks or types things, and persist data somewhere as the user does things.

Except...there's no model of precisely how text is handled or how to re-encode it for e.g. screen reading...the development model lacks the abstraction to do layout...and so on. So we added a longer pipeline with more things to configure, over and over.

But - the computing environment is also different now. We can say, "aha, but OCR exists, GPT exists" and pursue a completely different way of presenting many of those features, where you leverage a higher grade of computing power to make the architectural line between the presentation layer and the database extremely short and weighted towards "user in control of their data and presentation". That still takes engineering and design, but the order of magnitude goes down, allowing complexity to bottleneck elsewhere.

That's the kind of conceptual leap computing has made a few times over history - at first the idea of having the computer itself compile your program from a textual form to machine instructions ("auto-coding") was novel and complex. Nowadays we expect our compilers to make coffee for us.