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verall ◴[23 Jun 23 14:36 UTC] No.36447353[source]▶
A lot of people are bringing up Wirth's law or other things, but I want to get more specific.

Has anyone else noticed how bad sign-on redirect flows have gotten in the past ~5 years?

It used to be you clicked sign in, and then you were redirected to a login page. Now I typically see my browser go through 4+ redirects, stuck at a white screen for 10-60 seconds.

I'm a systems C++ developer and I know nothing about webdev. Can someone _please_ fill me in on what's going on here and how every single website has this new slowness?

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billyjobob ◴[23 Jun 23 15:00 UTC] No.36447749[source]▶
A lot of sites now don't even a "sign in" now. You only have a large "sign up" button, which you have to click, and then in very small text at the bottom of the sign up screen find the link for "already have an account?"
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1. Solvency ◴[23 Jun 23 15:13 UTC] No.36447967[source]▶
Don't you see? All that matters is those tasty conversions. They want your email. They want your conversion. What's that? You've converted already and want to login? Sorry, we've got more conversions to drive, can't be bothered.
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2. ryandrake ◴[23 Jun 23 15:20 UTC] No.36448072[source]▶
I worked with a designer that actually told me this un-sarcastically. "My KPI is signups, not logins. Bury the login link. Existing users don't move the metric."

Metrics-based and KPI-based software development has ruined quality for decades.

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3. guestbest ◴[23 Jun 23 15:38 UTC] No.36448376[source]▶
I wish sites only wanted email. Mostly they want to integrate with Google, Facebook and require a phone number.
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4. nerdponx ◴[23 Jun 23 16:20 UTC] No.36449001[source]▶
I'm waiting for the day when we see an article about some government tax or bill-pay portal that only works with Facebook and Google login, no email.
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5. Tade0 ◴[23 Jun 23 16:23 UTC] No.36449045[source]▶
I've split tickets into smaller chunks because the number of tickets closed was my KPI at the time.

It's dumb and current me would just say that out loud and not participate in this circus.

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6. guestbest ◴[23 Jun 23 17:06 UTC] No.36449589{3}[source]▶
If you want to even more dystopian, imagine every separate account is taxed on every forum/chat apo and failure to report is tax fraud.
7. Nextgrid ◴[23 Jun 23 19:12 UTC] No.36451009{3}[source]▶
There are already some essential services that use ReCaptcha and require you to be stalked by Google and be on good standing with them.
8. esafak ◴[24 Jun 23 01:28 UTC] No.36454506[source]▶
This is what happens when you strongly tie promotions to metrics. Make sure you have the right ones, or don't do it. Left to his own devices, the designer would probably have done the right thing. It takes a bad incentive to make someone do something like this.
9. immibis ◴[24 Jun 23 17:46 UTC] No.36460910[source]▶
"Whatever you measure will improve. This is a warning."
10. mikrotikker ◴[25 Jun 23 02:44 UTC] No.36464721{3}[source]▶
Reminds me of those explorers who paid the natives for every dinosaur bone they turned in, only to be horrified when they realized the natives were breaking the bones into as many pieces as possible to collect as much currency as possible.