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pierat ◴[] No.36435873[source]
So... why have the feature of "Public, Restricted, Private" if you punish people for using a feature you all put in place? If they don't want private subs, then convert them to public and turn that feature off.

What all this seems like is a bad psy-op campaign to force people to do the settings the admins want, and make it "feel" its the moderators doing it. Similar how Twitter forces you to remove bad content rather than just auto-do it

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sltkr ◴[] No.36436647[source]
People are given power with the expectation that they wield that power responsibly. The purpose of the visibility feature is to allow moderators to create private communities, not to shut down thriving public communities as a form of protest.

If a cop shoots an unarmed suspect, they will get punished too. Would you defend the cop by saying “why give a cop a gun if you punish him for using it”? The cop is given a gun with the understanding that they only use it to shoot dangerous suspects; a cop that violates that expectation will have their gun taken away.

> If they don't want private subs, then convert them to public and turn that feature off.

The more reasonable solution would be to disallow moderators from changing the protection level after creating a sub (but allowing it by petitioning the admins). Would that make you happy?

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pierat ◴[] No.36437266[source]
> People are given power with the expectation that they wield that power responsibly. The purpose of the visibility feature is to allow moderators to create private communities, not to shut down thriving public communities as a form of protest.

For a decade, reddit's message to mods was that this was our community. And we could institute rules as we see fit. If the system allowed it, we could do it.

That was obviously just propaganda and a blatant lie.

> If a cop shoots an unarmed suspect, they will get punished too. Would you defend the cop by saying “why give a cop a gun if you punish him for using it”? The cop is given a gun with the understanding that they only use it to shoot dangerous suspects; a cop that violates that expectation will have their gun taken away.

The fuck? Are you seriously comparing state sanctioned violence to a online glorified bulletin board? Just wow.

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mardifoufs ◴[] No.36441091[source]
No that was just moderators slowing getting high on their own powertrips. Sure, Reddit inc basically let them do what they wanted but the original intent was actually that mods are part of a community, not some sort of petty tyrants. I guess it is truly reddit's fault for letting a bunch of... very online (I'm trying to be kind) and very very often severely maladjusted group of people establish their little fiefdoms.

... Also, one of the least diverse group (racially, religiously, culturally, politically and pretty much everything else) of people you could think of having such a control over """the front page of the internet"" (lol) lead to it turning into an insanely boring and one of the cringiest places on the internet. Twitter is downright refreshing compared to the average subreddit, which is saying a lot

The sad part is that I won't see the results of that rebalance of power, since I've only ever used Reddit on third party apps lol.

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1. johnnyanmac ◴[] No.36441442[source]
>but the original intent was actually that mods are part of a community, not some sort of petty tyrants

No, it was always to "create your own community". Right down to the asinine mechanic where the Head mod is simply first come first serve. If Mod A makes a community, assigns Mod B to moderate it, and leaves for 5 years, B cannot override A when he comes back without intervention from Admins. On the contrary, A can kick out B despite doing nothing for 5 years.

They very much designed it for "petty tyrants" and the site should/would have built a much better system to kick out inactive mods if they cared about "being part of a community". But I think we both know that Reddit just cared about free labor (until news sites force their hand).