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LanceH ◴[] No.36435739[source]
I don't have a lot of fondness for companies which offer a free product until it becomes entrenched, then take it away. I think of how MS and Adobe both turned a blind eye toward piracy until everything else had been killed off, then they went hard on piracy.

That said, perhaps moderators and users should be willing to admit that Reddit produces some of the value here. Every voice I've heard is, "we do all the work", "we produce all the value". It's also comical to hear moderators say that when the users of their subreddit could make the same claim trumping the moderator.

Right now the mods seem to be flexing their muscle, showing that Reddit has allowed them too much power, rather than showing the actual need for an api. In all of these discussions, I haven't seen a single video detailing side by side how necessary the third party apps are. Just claims that everyone needs them and uses them.

Reddit, of course, seems hell bent on making their UI worse and worse. I don't know what their play is or how they plan on getting paid for it. I have to say, though, for a free product their ads are among the least intrusive I can think of.

Every subreddit is just a click away from moving, though. I see some doing it. But a lot of those subreddits enjoy the influx of users that reddit brings them (until they don't, of course).

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CharlesW ◴[] No.36435896[source]
> That said, perhaps moderators and users should be willing to admit that Reddit produces some of the value here.

Very little, and almost none from a technical POV. What value Reddit does provide is a side effect of 17 years of investments by users, their communities, and those communities' unpaid moderators.

Yes, Reddit is free to attack the foundation of their value for short-term gain. However, the reality is that Reddit has never been easier to replace than it is right now. If even a relatively small percentage of users/communities/moderators take their toys and go elsewhere, it could trigger an irreversible decline.

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Fyrezerk ◴[] No.36435976[source]
On the contrary, I see Reddit as being extremely difficult to replace, precisely because of those 17 years of investment by users. Reddit is a gold mine of information related to any topic you can imagine, and that information won't magically migrate to another platform without serious network traction by a large user base.
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D0TheMath ◴[] No.36436383[source]
I used to use Reddit for this purpose, but many of the things I’d try to look up on Reddit, I can more readily ask ChatGPT about. This form of network effect of reddit will likely weaken over time.

Edit: So in some sense all that information has magically migrated to a new platform through the mystical power of DL.

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1. chx ◴[] No.36436448[source]
And ChatGPT will write all of this up https://www.reddit.com/r/UsbCHardware/comments/14fupdk/dock_... for you. Absolutely. I can see that happening. Even the opening of it which is just a recital of various standards, well compare to https://chat.openai.com/share/bbb32735-26c7-48c7-9293-a33020... this. It says "If your USB-C port supports DisplayPort Alt Mode or HDMI Alt Mode" we know it does not support HDMI alt mode because that's a paper only standard, there were never any implementations of it and the HDMI Forum this January killed it. ChatGPT didn't mention HBR2, HBR3, DSC, MST all of which are vital to understand the problem.

I am mentioning this only because I wrote this today and even as someone as knowledgeable about USB C as anyone possibly can, there are big unknowns here and automated aggregation of knowledge could help. But it doesn't.

But you know what, I actually asked ChatGPT for this, it recommends a dual monitor DisplayLink (!!) dock for this case. Complete trash. It concludes with "on such cases, it's recommended to consult with a hardware specialist" without telling you how to do that.

https://chat.openai.com/share/517b831b-db36-40c3-b7bf-7c1c0e...

But let's not tout my own horn. I just moved to Malta and I already knew the selection will be low and I will need to shop all over the EU and get the packages sent with a package forwarder. Now, the /r/malta sub recommends shipmybox and shiplowcost both of which are Malta destination only, focused on this special market, reliable and relatively cheap -- and near impossible to find via Googling. ChatGPT recommends shipito, myus and forward2me all of which are global companies. It's not much better than Googling especially given the forward2me reviews on ... guess what, Reddit.

When I ask ChatGPT about that it says "Forward2Me has generally received positive reviews and is considered a reliable package forwarding service" but https://www.reddit.com/r/amiibo/comments/xzlnsh/does_anyone_... https://www.reddit.com/r/internationalshopper/comments/ucww6... there are worrying reviews

https://chat.openai.com/share/0e14cf2c-8a19-4210-97aa-2a90a3...

How many more you want?

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2. D0TheMath ◴[] No.36437118[source]
My comment was mostly about the current trend. In just 4 years we went from GPT-2 to GPT-4, and the pace seems accelerating. Only a fool points to the limits of current technology to make claims about future technology, the less foolish look at trend lines. The even less foolish have causal models, but even in this case, ChatGPT’s user trendline is faster growing than Reddit’s. Though this tells you little about whether they’re substitutes.
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3. chx ◴[] No.36438673[source]
OK let me be simple

It will always be garbage

This is a hype road. There's nothing. There never will be anything.

It's just automated plagiarism.

The advantage of Reddit is genuinely new content which this method can't ever create.

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4. johnnyanmac ◴[] No.36438873{3}[source]
>The advantage of Reddit is genuinely new content

you should tell that to reddtors. I believe they complain quite a bit about reposts, the same questions being asked, bots, and more.

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5. chx ◴[] No.36440910{4}[source]
Some != all

Stochastic parrot: inherently no new content

Reddit: some new content.

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6. johnnyanmac ◴[] No.36441233{5}[source]
I'm sure there's new content on Tumblr too, even if we'd veer the opposite way and say that "Tumblr has nothing", which is equally exaggeratory.

So, what's the line? How much noise are we welling to dig through to find "some new content"? I'd argue reddit has enough noise to at least bring the question up.