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psanford ◴[] No.35928220[source]
I'm an Asahi user and I back the project on Patreon. I also use xorg and don't have any plans on switching to Wayland any time soon. My reason is simple, there isn't an equivalent to xmonad on Wayland (nope sway isn't an equivalent for me).

I don't have any issue with Asahi focusing on Wayland first. But this attitude doesn't make me feel great. Is it really so difficult to have a little bit of empathy for your end users?

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gjsman-1000 ◴[] No.35928318[source]
> Is it really so difficult to have a little bit of empathy for your end users?

That’s easy to say if you’ve never worked on Xorg. The codebase is one of the worst in existence, few people fully understand it, and fixing bugs in it is a modern Sisyphean wheel.

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psanford ◴[] No.35928346[source]
I'm really not asking for that. I'm asking for communication that doesn't feel dismissive.
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gjsman-1000 ◴[] No.35928395[source]
I think it’s more exhaustion at the fact users do not want to move on; and yet, this is Linux in 2023.

- GNOME is Wayland by default

- Red Hat has announced Xorg is depreciated. A big deal considering they were basically keeping Xorg on life support single-handedly. Without Red Hat, there’s basically nobody working on it anymore.

- KDE Plasma 6 has announced Wayland is default now.

At some point, it becomes like a user complaining that OS/2 is no longer supported. It’s dead, X11 is older than OS/2 (June 1984!), we are all collectively exhausted, time to move on.

If xmonad doesn’t work for your system; take it up with them.

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t-3 ◴[] No.35929494[source]
What does the origin date of X11 have to do with anything? Doesn't look abandoned or dead: https://gitlab.freedesktop.org/xorg/xserver/-/commits/master
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1. mort96 ◴[] No.35936322[source]
Look again. Almost all those commits are for XWayland.

XWayland is not going away. X as a display server is more or less abandoned.

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