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    Mormons Make Great FBI Recruits

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    juujian ◴[] No.35773339[source]
    Sounds potentially problematic, having a lot of members of one group, any group, in your intelligence service? But then again, i can imagine the type of person who would be willing to apply to an intelligence service in the first place...
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    1. opportune ◴[] No.35774809[source]
    Most Mormons I’ve met are so wholesome and kind that I think they would legitimately choose to work in the FBI or IC to make the world a better place. If we’re gonna have one group overrepresented I can’t think of a better one, and I disagree with basically all of their beliefs.

    For one the IC basically excludes edgier and free spirited types, or those with baggage, by design. It also excludes financially motivated people and academic types - in practice we’ve already ruled out most of the urban upper middle/upper classes and most poorer people. Among the remainder you have to pick those with college education that are willing to live in or around cities. And then among those, people willing to commit to a long career, believe in the cause, maintain discretion, unlikely to fall off the wagon… and without any kind of concerning overt bigotry. Besides people who enlisted directly out of high school I feel like Mormons are the only major group who would consistently fit the bill.

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    2. dragonwriter ◴[] No.35774890[source]
    > Most Mormons I’ve met are so wholesome and kind that I think they would legitimately choose to work in the FBI or IC to make the world a better place.

    Yes, they would, and very often they'd be so convinced of their righteousness that they’d use their power as government agents to run over anything that thet saw as standing in the way of their vision of a better place.

    If you look at the history of abuses by the FBI, almost none of them were venal and corrupt, they mostly were just putting a vision of a path to a better world ahead of things like due process.

    This is exactly the kind of thing motivating the saying “The road to Hell is paved with good intentions. ”

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    3. darksaints ◴[] No.35775377[source]
    As a counterpoint, the two architects of the CIA torture program, one of the most evil of things that has ever come out of the CIA (which is a ridiculously high bar), were Mormons. High ranking Mormons in ecclesiastical positions, teaching love on Sunday, and torture on Monday through Saturday. And they probably legitimately thought they were making the world a better place...in a very compartmentalized and thoroughly corrupted way. Religion is a plague on this world...people can be just as easily corrupted by it as they can be elevated by it. I'd prefer to not have any group overrepresented at the CIA.
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    5. lcnPylGDnU4H9OF ◴[] No.35776722[source]
    It's not exactly the same thing but many (most, I dare say) members of the Ku Klux Klan were religious church-goers. It seems rather valid to point out the corrupting potential of religion.

    On this topic I'm often reminded of a line from Killing in the Name by Rage Against The Machine: "Some of those who work forces; they're the same that burn crosses." The song was written in response to the beating of Rodney King[0] by LAPD officers in 1991. I wouldn't be particularly surprised if those officers had considered themselves to be a positive force in the world who just had a lapse in judgement on a bad day.

    [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rodney_King

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    6. mrguyorama ◴[] No.35776925{3}[source]
    As we can see from more current situations, cops rarely think beating a black guy is wrong at all, so they don't even believe they had a lapse in judgement, they think they were right!
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    7. seanmcdirmid ◴[] No.35776980[source]
    Most mormons I've met are actually pretty normal. If it didn't somehow slip they were LDS, you would never know, and that's in Salt Lake City where there are many.
    8. hinkley ◴[] No.35777361[source]
    The Old Testament has Abraham, asked to kill his son, then told ha ha that was just a test.

    The BoM has Nephi, told to slay a king. Are you kidding me God? Do I look like I'm kidding? He's wicked, do it.

    Precedent has already been set.

    9. hinkley ◴[] No.35777426[source]
    As a person who got tricked a lot as a child, I'm still unfortunately very guarded around people who are doing something just out of the goodness of their hearts. What's the catch? As I've done more volunteer work I've come to a better place with this.

    But I still wonder sometimes if people are titrating. "I'm such a monster M-F that I'm gonna go hard on righteousness on Sunday"

    Or for Mormons, Monday. Mormons make a big deal about having a special night for your family, traditionally on Monday. So these guys came home from a day of torture on Monday to bond with their wife and kids. No Saturday for a buffer there.

    10. klyrs ◴[] No.35777514[source]
    > Most Mormons I’ve met are so wholesome

    Most humans I've met are wholesome, too. Of the Mormons I've known, several are utter scoundrels, quite a few were mean and petty, and many were dishonest when it suited them. Much like the rest of humanity, there are bad people who happen to be Mormon, and good people who happen to be Mormon. Several Mormons I knew developed a drinking habit on their mission, fell out for a while, and returned to the church.

    Don't buy into the mythos. They're just people. The one trait that I did note as almost-uniform among the practicing Mormons that I've known is a distinct holier-than-thou attitude. In the good ones, that seemed to keep them honest. In the bad ones, it was their justification for misbehavior -- especially the petty meanness.

    11. HybridCurve ◴[] No.35779077[source]
    This reminds me of a book I read a while back where a CIA guy was talking about problems they had with a newer generation of officers.

    IIRC, one of the field officers was interviewing another female officer's agent (agent being the local national spy) and when they got on the topic of the work he had done with female officer, he said "We haven't done anything, all she does is try to convert me to christianity". She was removed thereafter.

    Seems to me that a secular mind is probably best for the objective reasoning required for areas like the FBI, CIA.

    12. thephyber ◴[] No.35781669{4}[source]
    You missed a perfect opportunity to use “righteous!”
    13. cbozeman ◴[] No.35782667[source]
    "If you would just stop being evil, I wouldn't have to torture you!"