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Galanwe ◴[] No.35519824[source]
Can someone actually explain how IQ tests work? By work, I mean how are the tests engineered, and the results computed.

Long time ago someone explained to me that the engineering of IQ tests was actually drafted from a very large pool of (regularly updated) questions, where statistical significance was extracted to form a _core symposium_ of questions to sample from. Also, the IQ score itself was normalized to be normally distributed centered at 100.

With this understanding, I was under the impression that IQ was a relative measure, at a specific point in time, of one's placement in the distribution.

Which meant to me that IQ cannot "drop" across a population, the mean will always be 100. And IQ scores cannot be compared on a time series basis, since they are only cross sectional measures.

Is that all wrong? Is there some truth to it?

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outlace ◴[] No.35520430[source]
My understanding at a high level is that an IQ test is basically made by generating a bunch of cognitive tasks that putatively test different aspects of cognitive functioning (e.g. verbal reasoning, visuospatial reasoning, attention, working memory, etc.). For most people, performance on one type of cognitive task (e.g. verbal reasoning) is highly correlated with performance on the other types of cognitive tasks.

This allows you to model the test as a hierarchical statistical model with some general intelligence factor (denoted G) at the top and then specific cognitive tasks branch off from there. You can then infer what G is just by statistical inference on the "branches" (the performance on the individual cognitive tasks); similar to how you might infer someone's height if you only had access to their leg and arm lengths, as these are highly correlated with each other and also with height.

I believe IQ scores are always population normed to have a mean of 100 but unnormalized scores are likely available to compare across time.

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1. geraldalewis ◴[] No.35520983[source]
> For most people, performance on one type of cognitive task (e.g. verbal reasoning) is highly correlated with performance on the other types of cognitive tasks.

It's cool that that's your understanding, but you're wading into territory that gets people sterilized and killed. I have a lot of trust in science, but not here. This video was informative for me: https://youtu.be/UBc7qBS1Ujo

For example, here's an IQ test; let's say its given to 5,000,000 Canadians, and 3,000 Texans (1):

  * What is the capital city of Canada?
  * Which Canadian province is the largest by land area?
  * Who is considered the "Father of Medicare" in Canada?
  * Name the two official languages of Canada.
  * Which Canadian team won the Stanley Cup in 2017?
  * What is the national sport of Canada?
  * What is the name of Canada's national anthem?
  * Name the famous Canadian dish made with fries, cheese curds, and gravy.
  * Who was the first Prime Minister of Canada?
  * In which Canadian city is the CN Tower located?
I would expect a normal distribution for Canadians, but for the Texans to score in the bottom quintile (regardless of "general intelligence").

(1) I asked ChatGPT to come up with this test.

(edit: formatting)

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2. chongli ◴[] No.35521056[source]
This is why IQ tests switched to Raven’s progressive matrices [1] a long time ago. RPM avoids these issues of cultural bias.

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Raven's_Progressive_Matrices?w...