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subsubzero ◴[] No.35461974[source]
Congrats Dang, you have done a wonderful job so far and moderate one of the most fantastic online communities out there. I am sure most of the job feels somewhat thankless but I want to let you know I(and many many other users on this site) appreciate your hard work and dedication.
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codeddesign ◴[] No.35462773[source]
If by “finest” you mean a Reddit mob mentality for tech, then yes I completely agree with this statement.
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dang ◴[] No.35463131[source]
What do you think we could do differently? Serious question.

I don't like the mob thing either but it's how large group dynamics on the internet work (by default). We try to mitigate it where we can but there's not a lot of knowledge about how to do that.

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crossroadsguy ◴[] No.35464688[source]
Allow me to chime in:

- the voting behaviour is just like reddit or rather just as bad - it is herd voting, flippant voting (but I really don't think how this can be fixed; maybe it can't be - but that is how it is to be honest and maybe it's time we acknowledged it)

- there is a sense of "aura/legend" attached to certain users, I find it maybe a bit extra weird because I am not from the US (later about it), and maybe not from the "in" crowd that I can't understand the why of it (I would not have known even if I knew of those users) - useless/meaningless/contentless comments get upvoted and reach the top -- not showing showing rank/voting might be a great idea imho (again, I really don't know how this can be fixed or whether this has to be fixed)

- HN seems like a "US only" forum largely, maybe that's the intention, I am not sure. I mean some comments and even posts just make it look like everything and everywhere works as it works in the USA

- Brigading or soft-brigading either just happens or maybe allowed as well - esp. on political threads - maybe just do not allow politics at all (no exceptions!) or those might need extra attention. I mean there is no point in allowing a political post when it ends up just getting raided. Also I often feel political posts specifically about USA are more kosher than political posts about other places.

- Encourage non-technical discussions more (but with the exception of political posts :P) - personally my best experiences on hn have actually been on non-tech/sw/hw posts really

One of the things I like about hn is its simplicity but maybe wouldn't mind "sections" or "categories" for different types of posts. Again this has its own trade offs.

I mean it's not so bad and whatever is bad maybe cannot even be fixed.

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dang ◴[] No.35464697[source]
Re voting: I agree - it's a weakness of the mechanism. I've posted a lot about that: https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=false&so....

Re "certain users": I don't see it that way! I'd prefer this to be a place where anyone can post about anything, and if their comment is insightful, that is what matters.

Re "US only": last I checked, US users were only 50% of the community. It may be less than that now.

Re brigading: it's definitely not allowed, and we've worked a lot on trying to stop it, but it's a hard problem.

Re non-technical discussions: I couldn't agree more, and we work hard to encourage that. Even to the point of various secret agendas.

Re sections or categories: no, I don't think that's in HN's DNA. For better or worse, this site is organized around a single front page that everyone sees the same way. Past explanations here if anyone is interested: https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=true&que...

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concordDance ◴[] No.35465487[source]
Regarding voting, how about swapping to a two axis system, one up/down for agree/disagree and one for contributes/doesn't contribute?
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Thiez ◴[] No.35465792[source]
I think for many (most?) people that would just result in them always voting +2/-2. Because stuff you disagree with is wrong (-1), and wrong posts don't contribute (-1), and likewise for agree/contributes. At least those are the heuristics that were preconfigured in my irrational monkeybrain.

Also when someone does say something I agree with but that does not contribute ("most grass is green") I wouldn't want to reward them with a +1 agree either, just punish with -1 doesn't contribute.

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1. concordDance ◴[] No.35466748[source]
That's not what I've seen in places it's actually used. Get a decent mix though I agree the directions generally correlate and you'll rarely have a negative in one without the other.