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subsubzero ◴[] No.35461974[source]
Congrats Dang, you have done a wonderful job so far and moderate one of the most fantastic online communities out there. I am sure most of the job feels somewhat thankless but I want to let you know I(and many many other users on this site) appreciate your hard work and dedication.
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codeddesign ◴[] No.35462773[source]
If by “finest” you mean a Reddit mob mentality for tech, then yes I completely agree with this statement.
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dang ◴[] No.35463131[source]
What do you think we could do differently? Serious question.

I don't like the mob thing either but it's how large group dynamics on the internet work (by default). We try to mitigate it where we can but there's not a lot of knowledge about how to do that.

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crossroadsguy ◴[] No.35464688[source]
Allow me to chime in:

- the voting behaviour is just like reddit or rather just as bad - it is herd voting, flippant voting (but I really don't think how this can be fixed; maybe it can't be - but that is how it is to be honest and maybe it's time we acknowledged it)

- there is a sense of "aura/legend" attached to certain users, I find it maybe a bit extra weird because I am not from the US (later about it), and maybe not from the "in" crowd that I can't understand the why of it (I would not have known even if I knew of those users) - useless/meaningless/contentless comments get upvoted and reach the top -- not showing showing rank/voting might be a great idea imho (again, I really don't know how this can be fixed or whether this has to be fixed)

- HN seems like a "US only" forum largely, maybe that's the intention, I am not sure. I mean some comments and even posts just make it look like everything and everywhere works as it works in the USA

- Brigading or soft-brigading either just happens or maybe allowed as well - esp. on political threads - maybe just do not allow politics at all (no exceptions!) or those might need extra attention. I mean there is no point in allowing a political post when it ends up just getting raided. Also I often feel political posts specifically about USA are more kosher than political posts about other places.

- Encourage non-technical discussions more (but with the exception of political posts :P) - personally my best experiences on hn have actually been on non-tech/sw/hw posts really

One of the things I like about hn is its simplicity but maybe wouldn't mind "sections" or "categories" for different types of posts. Again this has its own trade offs.

I mean it's not so bad and whatever is bad maybe cannot even be fixed.

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dang ◴[] No.35464697[source]
Re voting: I agree - it's a weakness of the mechanism. I've posted a lot about that: https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=false&so....

Re "certain users": I don't see it that way! I'd prefer this to be a place where anyone can post about anything, and if their comment is insightful, that is what matters.

Re "US only": last I checked, US users were only 50% of the community. It may be less than that now.

Re brigading: it's definitely not allowed, and we've worked a lot on trying to stop it, but it's a hard problem.

Re non-technical discussions: I couldn't agree more, and we work hard to encourage that. Even to the point of various secret agendas.

Re sections or categories: no, I don't think that's in HN's DNA. For better or worse, this site is organized around a single front page that everyone sees the same way. Past explanations here if anyone is interested: https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=true&que...

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nindalf ◴[] No.35464791[source]
Completely agree on the “certain users” thing. The UI de-emphasises the author of the comment. There’s no profile picture or “checkmark” for us to recognise and reflex vote. That’s a good thing! There isn’t a concept of following certain users, another good thing. If there was, we’d have popular users “dunking” on unpopular ones and having their opinions confirmed by their followers showing up to vote.

If anything, HN threads reward people who comment early. I’ve noticed the users with most karma are also extremely online and comment on a lot of threads early. If the thread becomes popular, their comments get more views and karma than someone who comments later. Even here, HN tries to mitigate this effect by giving every new comment in every thread and sub-thread a few minutes at the top when it’s new. This encourages people to comment even if they’re late to the party.

More could be done like removing the list of top users or moving profile karma a couple of clicks away, but HN does more than most websites to de-emphasise power users. That’s why I comment here and not elsewhere.

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dang ◴[] No.35464845[source]
People sometimes ask us to remove all the points and karma stuff from what gets displayed. Do you think that we should?
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1. lionkor ◴[] No.35465662[source]
instead of a karma number, it would be better to have a different indicator. still count karma in the backend, but display only a percentile, or a number of symbols depending on the karma compared to other users on the platform. For example, relatively low karma would be `+`, high would be `+++`. Something that is very difficult to game and gameify, while still giving a nice little indicator of activity and whether someone's other comments are liked here.

Or just make the user karma a simple average over all their posts and comments. Anything but a straight number that goes up each time!

I use my own karma display as a way to check if its likely i have new replies.

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2. crossroadsguy ◴[] No.35465862[source]
This is an excellent suggestion. Coupled with hiding username (which is even more of a radical change) I think the forum will be even better.
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3. lionkor ◴[] No.35466417[source]
usernames I do like, personally, since some people I know are on here, and sometimes a comment's content changes if the username is known to you, e.g. WalterBright.