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Italian government seeks to penalize the use of English words

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hunglee2 ◴[02 Apr 23 17:47 UTC] No.35413150[source]▶
I think we (Americans and Europeans alike) wholly underestimate how Americanised European culture is becoming.

This is an observation rather than a criticism as I don't know whether this is 'good' or 'bad' but it is noticeable phenomena manifest through language, and probably an unintended consequence of the dependency of Europe on US communication technology, leading to the import of US communication styles, political priorities and cultural values.

France have always been conscious of this, no doubt as a result of their centuries old conflict with England, but it is interesting now to see Italian nationalists responding similarly. It's futile of course, as neither Italians, French nor any combination of European countries can or will make an internet independent of the US

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_vbnz ◴[02 Apr 23 17:59 UTC] No.35413290[source]▶
Yeah, it was shocking here in Stockholm when there were BLM protests in 2020.

It's like people are more involved in US politics than their national politics.

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adventured ◴[02 Apr 23 18:09 UTC] No.35413402[source]▶
Racism is at least as prevalent - and far more out-in-the-open - in Europe than in the US. There should be BLM or equivalent protests all over Europe, frankly. It's shocking how openly racist Europeans are (whether eg Italians about Africans, Germans about anyone, or Europeans routinely about gypsies).

Ever gone on Reddit and looked at what Swedes say about refugees and immigrants (post ~2014 or so; in 2015 they were burning refugee camps)? The racist, anti-non-Swede, nationalism type is only going to get a lot worse there. The integration of refugees into Swedish society has been a complete failure, which you can see in the crime and employment outcomes. If it were the US, the blame would be squarely placed on racist behavior / dominant culture preventing the refugees from thriving.

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nivenkos ◴[02 Apr 23 18:26 UTC] No.35413583[source]▶
I live in Sweden, but I think Europe is much less race-oriented (although classism is still a massive issue).

Like in the UK the Prime Minister, Home Secretary, and Scottish First Minister are all from immigrant family backgrounds.

As for the refugees, it's not so much racism as just a very difficult situation - a nation can't accept literally millions of young men with no language skills or qualifications and expect things to work out well.

The real question is why Europe has to deal with it when it was the USA which started the wars.

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1. NalNezumi ◴[03 Apr 23 08:05 UTC] No.35420114{4}[source]▶
I'm born and raised in Sweden, and have a lot of non white friends and I can firmly say Europeans are about as(or more) race oriented than Americans. We simply banned asking the question. Statistiskmyndigheten explicitly banned taking any stats about ethnicities, while we all know well how middle eastern people are treated (middle eastern telephone salesman need to fake their name for the sake of sales).

Europeans are less race oriented in the same way Russia is a peaceful country and Russian invasion of Ukraine is not an invasion but "special military operation" to majority of Russians living there; we simply don't hear, or want to hear it, and shun people who talk about it.