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    1. CommanderData ◴[] No.35323347[source]
    Tracking and privacy on Windows is becoming atrocious, I didn't know about the built in keylogger until I ran a declutter tool.

    Unpopular opinion but to stop Microsoft's shenanigans = legislation. Opt-in by default would be a good start. Transparency tools to show what's being exported to MS. How about stopping forced major updates too.

    User needs protective legislation fast.

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    2. jsmith99 ◴[] No.35323930[source]
    Windows doesn't have a keylogger, and irresponsible 'declutter' tools can do more hard than good.
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    3. iakov ◴[] No.35323995[source]
    I think you are right. Many people in tech, and especially americans, sneer at the thought of regulation, but I don't see any other way to un-fuck the most popular personal computer OS in the market.

    If not for GDPR, my email and phone would be still vacuumed up by every e-shop and sold in bulk to some shady data aggregator. If not for the upcoming USB-C charger law, Apple would be putting their Lightning holes in all devices. Sometimes the invisible hand of the market has to be forced I guess.

    Legislation is usually too little and too late, heavy-handed, and hard to change. But it's better then the current state of things, where the users are constantly screwed with no viable alternative for their OS.

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    5. mock-possum ◴[] No.35324098[source]
    Sorry, “built in keylogger?” Which one is that?
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    6. LightHugger ◴[] No.35324103[source]
    We are at the point where windows is irresponsible and those declutter tools are what the responsible user makes use of. You are irresponsible for not using them.
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    7. hansvm ◴[] No.35324151[source]
    No idea which of the builtin keyloggers they're referring to, but the one with the most public outrage was the inking and typing personalization feature.
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    8. jsmith99 ◴[] No.35324167{3}[source]
    What clutter? I removed the preinstalled news widget, turned off the telemetry options in the installer (I personally am ok with some light telemetry because I know from experience how useful it is as a developer but I agree it shouldn't be on by default). My NextDNS probably blocks it anyway. There are probably still a few preinstalled apps that I don't use, like candy crush, but they are mostly just stubs that don't download unless you use them - I wouldn't know as I never browse the start menu, I just type the first few characters and press enter. I check Autoruns occasionally and everything seems reasonably well-behaved, and I haven't had a BSOD in several years except for a few caused by crappy third party 'security' kernel drivers.
    9. sofixa ◴[] No.35324275[source]
    > Legislation is usually too little and too late, heavy-handed, and hard to change.

    Often EU regulations, especially tech-related ones (e.g. the USB C one) come with baked in provisions for how it will be updated to stay relevant in the future.

    The upcoming DMA and DSA will hopefully enable a lot more interoperability and interchangeable software and standards.

    Microsoft's Windows bullshit (the EU already established they can't force you to use their browser, why are they allowed to do it once again) will need a heavy slap down too.

    > Many people in tech, and especially americans, sneer at the thought of regulation, but I don't see any other way to un-fuck the most popular personal computer OS in the market.

    The only people who sneer generically at regulation are people who either misunderstanding or are just oblivious to how much their lives are shaped (in probably 90% of the cases, even in the US), for the better by existing regulations. One can argue on the merits of a specific proposal or law, but otherwise it's just absurdity like a house cat.

    10. mihaaly ◴[] No.35324657[source]
    > Tracking and privacy on Windows is becoming atrocious

    It is pathetic how they promote (push like madman) telemetry as a tool for improving user experience while all it is used for is ruining it and exploit their paying users for their own benefit only (marketing).

    11. jeroenhd ◴[] No.35325274[source]
    Presumably "Inking and typing personalization". Microsoft collects all the words you type, presumably filters out the ones that match the dictionary, and collects things like names in your Microsoft account. This can be used for spell check and turning stylus-drawn shapes into text more accurately.

    So yes, Windows does collect some information akin to a keylogger.

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    12. nvllsvm ◴[] No.35328595{3}[source]
    Which declutter tools specifically?
    13. mdmglr ◴[] No.35330748[source]
    Doesn’t group policy editor fix all of this?
    14. Zuiii ◴[] No.35335112{3}[source]
    What are the other ones?
    15. mock-possum ◴[] No.35461031{3}[source]
    Ohhhh. Yeah I mean - it specifically gives you the option to opt out of that during windows install… you don’t need to run a ‘declutter tool’ to do so. But maybe we shouldn’t expect users to have the presence of mind to pick through install options, in all fairness, maybe the most secure least permissive configuration should be the default. Then power users can enable things they understand the risks of.