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samwillis ◴[] No.35046486[source]
Fundamentally I think some of the problems come down to the difference between what Fly set out to build and what the market currently want.

Fly (to my understanding) at its core is about edge compute. That is where they started and what the team are most excited about developing. It's a brilliant idea, they have the skills and expertise. They are going to be successful at it.

However, at the same time the market is looking for a successor to Heroku. A zero dev ops PAAS with instant deployment, dirt simple managed Postgres, generous free level of service, lower cost as you scale, and a few regions around the world. That isn't what Fly set out to do... exactly, but is sort of the market they find themselves in when Heroku then basically told its low value customers to go away.

It's that slight miss alignment of strategy and market fit that results in maybe decisions being made that benefit the original vision, but not necessarily the immediate influx of customers.

I don't envy the stress the Fly team are under, but what an exciting set of problems they are trying to solve, I do envy that!

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satvikpendem ◴[] No.35047603[source]
I'm going to plug Coolify, an open source Heroku alternative (with Docker support too) that I'm using on a cheap $5 Hetzner server which is a lot cheaper than the equivalent Fly or Render etc service, and it really doesn't have much upkeep from me even if you add in the time setting up the server initially, which is like an hour, and afterwards, it Just Works™.

https://coolify.io

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arjvik ◴[] No.35048955[source]
No experience with either, but how does Coolify compare to Dokku, the OSS Heroku alternative I've been hearing about until now?
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1. satvikpendem ◴[] No.35049189[source]
Dokku doesn't have a GUI which is the main reason I switched from Dokku which I used to use before.
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2. josegonzalez ◴[] No.35049827[source]
Dokku maintainer here.

Dokku doesn't have an _official open source_ UI. There are a few unofficial OSS ones (Ledokku is the latest) that I'm aware of.

There is have a commercial offering in Dokku Pro (https://pro.dokku.com). It's paid (one-time lifetime license) but only so that I can at least partially cover my development time on it. The project is enough work on top of Dokku that I feel it is justified, especially as there is nothing stopping others from doing so, OSS or otherwise.